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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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game is great is where it changed the

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right good evening Fade to Black I

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accidental truth our guest tonight all

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the way from Queensland Australia Paul

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Wallace is with us we're going to be

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talking about tonight uh two of my

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favorite subjects that combine into one

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ET contact in the Bible we're going to

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be getting into some forgotten secrets

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about human progress political power

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emotional intelligence and human

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potential all of the things that I enjoy

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talking about every single night here on

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Fade to Black and before I get into a

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really long bio for Paul I'm not going

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to do that I want to get straight to the

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show but he is known for the Eden series

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his best-selling series of titles in

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paleo contact endorsed by George Nori

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and Eric Von daniken his interviews and

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documentaries on the Paul Wall channel

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in the fifth kind and El Quinto Tipo are

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watched by millions worldwide and I

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would like to welcome for the first time

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I've been waiting for this to fade to

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black Paul Wallace there he is right

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there Paul welcome man how you doing

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g'day Jimmy I'm fantastic and all the

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better for being with you today thank

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you so much for having me on man this is

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great and and okay before we get started

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let's get the First Time guest

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disclaimer out of the way all right so

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let's do that the next time you're on

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the show you don't get it but you get it

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tonight Paul which is it's just you and

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I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts it starts and where

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it ends it ends but we're gonna end as

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friends there you go approve agree

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that's a good plan yeah

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um so I saw in the chat and you and I

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were talking about this right before the

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um I saw in the chat uh Happy Birthday

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Paul and I replied back is it today is

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it tomorrow I'm always confused with

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this because he's a time traveler

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so yes I'm in the future yes was it last

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week is it today is it tomorrow or and

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and happy birthday well thanks Jimmy my

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birthday is the 29th of April so uh

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unfortunately everyone's uh missed it

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but I am in the future being in

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Australia it's Tuesday where I am so

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yeah it's so crazy to me I've um I don't

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um no dumb is the word I don't want to

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sound dumb but is it possible for me to

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jump on a plane

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fly to Australia celebrate my birthday

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and then turn around and fly back to Los

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Angeles and celebrate my birthday a

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second time on the same day

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with a very fast plane I'm sure that's

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possible I haven't checked it out it's

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we speak I'll be able to confirm yeah

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wondered about that it's a great idea I

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mean when we had Concord it was possible

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to leave London and arrive in New York

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slightly before when you left London so

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that's that's a treat we we've missed

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this stuff out yet but anyway welcome to

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the show it's great to have you here

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um we have so many different areas and

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and zones that we can go into but but

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um this is a subject that I think a lot

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of people now are starting to recognize

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and talk about but it wasn't the case 20

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years ago wasn't the case five years ago

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when did you first start to dive into

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this part of reality

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I first started to Deep dive into it

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around five years ago as I was on the

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research path for my first book of paleo

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contact escaping from Eden but it had

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time I was 11 years old when my mum and

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dad introduced me to Eric Von daniken

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and so he had been in my mind since that

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time just pointing out that we have

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difficulty explaining ourselves as a

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species without allowing for the

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possibility of external interventions to

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nudge our development along and I knew

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that Eric had begun his journey in the

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world of theology

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in the world of Bible translation that's

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what got him on to the path of paleo

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contact so that was in my mind and then

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in 2009 Pope Benedict XVI the most

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conservative Pope in my lifetime called

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on the pontifical Academy of Sciences to

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discuss the theological implications of

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contact with other civilizations

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that got my attention because it was

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only 400 years ago the same institution

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was burning people alive for merely

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suggesting there might be intelligent

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life on other planets and the way that

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whole event was prefaced and the way his

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spokespeople met the Press afterwards

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gave the impression that the Vatican was

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expecting some kind of disclosure to be

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made by some other authority and they

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wanted to get in there first and those

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were the two things that made me

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think there's something I really need to

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get to the bottom of one of the Pope

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at the Vatican Observatory Reverend Dr

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guy consolmano said we shouldn't be

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surprised to encounter aliens because

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they're in the Bible they're in the Old

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Testament and in the New Testament and

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when he said that he put out a great

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challenge to Believers and theologians

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all around the world to go back to the

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Bible and have another look and work out

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are there aliens in the Bible and I

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thought I have to take that challenge up

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someone is going to write that book and

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there's something there that we haven't

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quite named does it was it a surprise to

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um to find out that we all know uh what

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heresy meant you know three four five

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hundred years ago it was it was a dark

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area and if you were bringing up the Sun

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and the Moon and Earth and and what may

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be going on out there or you you had a

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very short life span it's just a fact

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and and today the Vatican is funding

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their own observatories right it's like

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wait a minute here and when you started

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to find out about the vatican's

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fascination with the universe and what

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was going on what what went through your

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mind is that does that verify and vilify

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those in the past and including up to

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well there has clearly been a big shift

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because we've gone from burning people

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at the stake people like Giordano Bruno

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who talked about life elsewhere in the

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cosmos or putting people like Galileo

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under house arrest for the rest of his

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life for talking about a different model

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of the solar system to a couple of years

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ago Pope Francis sent birthday greetings

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honoring Eric Von daniken so something

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has changed and I certainly knew that

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there was material to be dealt with in

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the Bible that would suggest a populated

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universe but I was intrigued to see what

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has made the shift why have they made

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that change and as I say back in 2009 I

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felt it was because

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they believed other authorities were

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going to do some kind of a disclosure

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and this was forcing them to change gear

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but I think there's a pastoral reason

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for it as well

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I think there are enough people in the

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know in the Vatican

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people who know that close encounters

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are a real phenomenon people who know

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that ufology is something real that we

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are in contact there are enough people

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in the know to be saying we need to

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prepare the faithful for this so that if

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it becomes blindingly obvious that we're

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in contact it doesn't blow our whole

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ship out of the water we need to show

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that we've got room in our theology to

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accommodate a populated universe and so

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I think there was a pastoral reason

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behind it as well of saying we might

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need to disclose a little bit more just

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for the sake of helping the faithful do

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business with new information

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there is the obvious question that

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everybody in the community wants to know

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the answer to and I don't know if the if

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this is in or out of your wheelhouse but

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certainly you have an opinion

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does the Vatican know are they sitting

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on those secrets of contact with ET

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short answer yes they know for a number

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of reasons firstly they know through

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pastoral experience so we have the

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Vatican senior advisor in the Paranormal

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which is Monsignor Colorado Balducci

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speaking openly saying that people who

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experience Close Encounters are not

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reporting a demonic phenomenon or a

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psychological episode

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psychiatric breakdown they are

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describing a totally different kind of

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entity one that merits serious study so

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we know that they know pastorally that

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people are having contact experiences

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we also know that at a an elite

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theological level there are plenty of

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Scholars in the Roman Catholic world who

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know that there are ETS in the Bible

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because I've been in conversation with

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them and because from time to time they

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do write things in very small print in

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the footnotes of Bibles letting you know

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that something else is going on in this

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text so they know for that reason as

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well third reason they know is that for

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centuries as Catholic countries have

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gone in conquering other people's

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countries they have a requisition

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sequestered

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technology

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texts artifacts

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that strongly suggest previous

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civilizations and ET contact and those

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objects have been taken from those

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countries and I'm in particular thinking

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about the invasions of Central and South

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America and they find their way to the

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European courts of Spain and Portugal

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and the Vatican we know that because of

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the leakage that there's been in the

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century since the leakage of information

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that's come from sources that only

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existed for a while in the Vatican

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Library so for all those reasons yes the

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Vatican knows

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when I was a kid hang on

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when I was a kid 20 21 all right 40

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years ago

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um I did this on my own but I read the

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Bible I'm not going to go through the

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story it's whatever everybody's got this

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story but I decided to read it as a

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novel

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okay I hadn't done it

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started you know started Genesis and

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started pounding the pages I got to the

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end

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um and flipped the book over and started

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it over

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and on my own at the age of 20 21 right

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in there

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I said to myself if we insert the word

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aliens

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we've got us a good movie here

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I did that all on my own Paul and it was

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later because it wasn't like I'm a

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genius it's that it's kind of obvious

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and yeah I wasn't the only one and in in

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your eating books um this is exactly

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what you write about right

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that's exactly right and you don't need

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to insert any words that aren't there to

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get the alien story what I argue in the

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Eden series is all you need to do is go

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to the root meanings of keywords go to

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the root meaning of Elohim which is the

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earliest word in the Bible that gets

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translated sometimes as God sometimes as

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demons sometimes as landlords what's

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going on with that word so I drill down

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into the root meanings of Elohim

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El Shaddai Yahweh Olam kavod ruach if

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all you do is go to the etymology of

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those words and reread the stories it

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becomes obvious you are reading stories

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of ancient E.T contact and in my latest

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book the Eden conspiracy I say you don't

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even have to do that you can leave all

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those words and translated and then just

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look at what happens in the story and

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its stories his stories of invasion it's

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stories of colonization it's stories of

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non-human beings debating over what to

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do with Project Earth so it really is a

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story that's hidden in plain sight

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I've got friends that are serious

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biblical Scholars right they can quote

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anything and and stuff and they will say

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you know uh

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it's pretty good science fiction if you

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really read it right yes they will admit

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to that it's really really well written

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and very clear and do you think that our

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level of understanding of being able to

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understand and comprehend uh today is

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better so we now can look at the Bible

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with that set of Eyes Without Really any

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nudging or assistance

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definitely I think anyone who's seen a

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launch of the Space Shuttle or watched

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footage of a Saturn V launch will find

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it very easy to recognize similar

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phenomena in the Bible so when you get

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to Exodus 33 and you've got a

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description of a pillar with a cloud and

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fire that can take off vertically and

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land vertically and will shake the

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ground as it does and you have to clear

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the territory for a wide area so people

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aren't killed by the blast we recognize

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immediately what that is talking about

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when another text in Second Kings for

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instance says that there was a hole in

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the sky and then a craft came through

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that hole with fire and smoke and landed

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on the planet's surface we have a

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framework by which to understand that or

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a hole in the sky and beings ascending

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into the sky and descending down onto

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the Earth's surface this is Jacob's

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description of what happened at Bethel

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we understand that when Ezekiel says

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that he's in a capsule that is driven by

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an engine that is powering rotors we

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think helicopter we think drone but for

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centuries there were translators who had

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never seen a rocket launch didn't know

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what a wormhole was didn't know what a

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helicopter or a drone was and so when

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they came to those texts they really

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struggled to express what they were

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reading in the Hebrew but the Wonder of

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the Bible is that we still have the

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ancient Hebrew texts we can go back to

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them we can go back to the root meanings

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we can re-read the stories and say oh my

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goodness

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I think I know what I'm looking at here

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I'm looking at a close encounter I'm

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looking at an extraterrestrial entity

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I'm looking at what we would call

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artificial insemination I'm looking at a

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hybridization program we have the

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language for it and so it's probably

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long overdue that we go back to the

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texts and re-translate them because we

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have an understanding now that matches

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what our ancestors wanted to tell us and

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show us but which has been obscured for

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Centuries by translations produced by

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people who'd never seen or imagined

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these things

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do you focus on because I can go in both

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directions but do you focus on the Old

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Testament do you focus on the Hebrew

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side of things or do you uh or or do you

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Place more focus on the New Testament

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well in my books in the Eden Series so

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far I've majored on the Hebrew Canon

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what we call the Old Testament because

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there is an amazing range of stories of

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ET contact and they're told really

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openly not only do we have the record of

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the experiences and the encounters and

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the periods of History where we were

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governed by non-human entities but the

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Bible itself tells us about when that

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narrative was changed and suppressed to

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change the focus of the people of Israel

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onto worship and Obedience of the

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ultimate God and they wanted all those

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other stories forgotten even that change

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in suppression is there in the Old

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Testament the Hebrew scriptures so I

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focused on that but I do touch on the

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New Testament as well because when you

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re-read those old stories it reframes

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how you understand what happens in the

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gospels and New Testament and you begin

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to recognize that is an ET layer to

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those stories as well

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now and we are talking about uh we're

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going to back up here but uh staying

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here for a second if we can Paul

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how much time difference are we talking

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about because and and you're the scholar

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here I'm not I'm just a dude on a

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microphone okay so I just pretend to be

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smart

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um but if we have the 300 A.D version of

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the Bible right

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whenever that that big meeting happened

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and then the translations of those books

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which happened around 100 150 A.D that

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were originally written in Greek right

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so that's after Jesus left the Earth and

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came back and and and then we go to the

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Old Testament and those texts how much

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time are we talking about here is it a

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thousand years uh in between them or

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more

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well the

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the Old Testament as we know it was

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really forming in the 6th Century BCE

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and that was when the the change of the

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narratives was completed and we had a an

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Old Testament that now appeared to be

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all about God and the stories of ET

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contact were slightly harder to spot but

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they're all still there so that's the

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6th Century BCE and then you get to Year

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Dot and really from about a hundred A.D

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onwards you had a kaleidoscope of texts

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representing the new Christian tradition

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and it was a kaleidoscope of experiences

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and ideas and theologies

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and that gradually got narrowed down to

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the official Canon uh really from the

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the 300s on so you've got yes

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908 to 900 year period between those two

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points but all the while of course you

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do have powers who are wanting to

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control the narrative who are wanting to

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say our religion is about this our

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religion is about that and it's not

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about those other things but by the time

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you get to the end of the 300s Christian

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Orthodoxy has really been nailed down

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and the ET narratives that the early

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church fathers had spotted would no

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longer to be talked about and had become

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an enormous taboo

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so the the time I'm about right and I'm

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not saying that because I'm patting

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myself on the back it's because I'm

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heading this into a Direction so if

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we're at 380 then we have 100 A.D and

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then we go back to 600 BC when things

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started to officially get written down

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those things at 600 BC are from an oral

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tradition and a history that spans a

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couple thousand a few thousand years

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before that right

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yes you've got oral tradition but you do

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also have written texts prior to the 6th

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Century BCE that had carried the memory

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of earlier generations and the uh the

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ancestors of the tribes of Israel so

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there were written texts but they were

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worked together into a single book and

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then edited re-edited to tell a more

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harmonious seeming story

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and and those ancient texts were

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Egyptian Sumerian and Hebrew well the

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roots really were Sumerian right so the

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earliest stories would be the stories of

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Beginnings that you can find in Genesis

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1 to 11 and they would represent really

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the abrahamic tradition so the idea that

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Abraham and Sarah grew up in a

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sumerian-based culture and then they

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moved to establish their own tradition

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and they sowed into their tradition all

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the stories of Beginnings with which

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they had grown up and they wrote a

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summary form of them let's put it that

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way we can tell the story that way and

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certainly when you read Genesis 1 to 11

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you can see it is a summary form of the

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ancient Sumerian stories that can be

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found in that culture ancient Babylonia

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Arcadia and Assyria

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however we didn't know that

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until the 1800s when finally we could

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translate the couple of hundred thousand

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cuneiform tablets that were dug up from

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those ancient cultures we didn't know

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what was on them we didn't even know it

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was a language until the 1800s and as

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soon as George Smith gets down and

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translates them using the translation

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they'd found the bay he stood

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inscription he recognized all the source

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narratives that produced the stories

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we're familiar with in the Bible so

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that's the roots of the biblical stories

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to be found in ancient Sumeria and it's

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when you read the stories alongside each

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other that's like taking the red pill in

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The Matrix suddenly you can never read

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the Bible in the old way again because

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you realize the Elohim stories and many

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of the Yahweh stories too are based on

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the Sumerian stories of Sky people and

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we have a word for Sky people today and

549
00:24:24,770 --> 00:24:21,440
it's ETS yeah yeah astronauts Ed

550
00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:24,780
astronauts that's right absolutely and

551
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,620
so uh this isn't too far out of left

552
00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:30,240
field

553
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,900
um but if we look at uh well let's just

554
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,480
say people like me The Fringe right like

555
00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:37,760
you

556
00:24:47,289 --> 00:24:43,080
about this for a very long time uh about

557
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:47,299
knowledge existing before 3000 BC before

558
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:50,880
Mesopotamia and before Giza and if we

559
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:53,340
look at the Bible and it's timing of

560
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,419
things it's saying the same things that

561
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,520
not only our community has been talking

562
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:01,620
about but now other things that have

563
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,460
been put forward lately that there was a

564
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:07,919
high technology situation that existed

565
00:25:16,909 --> 00:25:12,780
10 000 BC 12 000 BC uh we have Gobekli

566
00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:16,919
Tepe today but but that being said

567
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,299
everything didn't start at 3000 BC if we

568
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:24,720
take the Bible literally then we had

569
00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:26,940
Advanced culturally Advanced

570
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:29,100
civilization and cultures around the

571
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:32,880
world way before 3000 BC and the Bible

572
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:34,740
says it so

573
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,520
yes it does and again root meanings gets

574
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,760
you there so if you go to Genesis 11 for

575
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,000
instance Genesis 10 and 11.

576
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:47,039
first of all we're told something very

577
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:52,320
odd it says that there was a time when

578
00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:54,360
the land of the Earth had a single

579
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,039
coastline

580
00:26:02,510 --> 00:25:58,620
now that gets translated often as a

581
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:02,520
single language and a single lip and the

582
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:04,140
two words are put alongside each other

583
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,179
as if they're saying the same things but

584
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:07,919
there are two things we're being told in

585
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:10,020
that text by root meanings one is that

586
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:11,520
all the people spoke the same language

587
00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:13,620
and the other is that all the land was

588
00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:15,000
joined up

589
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:16,860
you think wait a minute that's not the

590
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,020
story of homo sapiens the land was never

591
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,080
joined up in in human history was it and

592
00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:23,760
then just prior to that in the previous

593
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:25,620
chapter it says it was in the generation

594
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:28,980
of peleg that the lands separated that

595
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:30,779
the continent separated

596
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:33,059
so here we've got a reference to a

597
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,600
civilization that predates everything we

598
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:38,820
know about Homo sapiens

599
00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:42,600
is it true well we wouldn't know through

600
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:44,520
archeology because anything from that

601
00:26:49,930 --> 00:26:47,460
time would be ground to a powder by this

602
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:49,940
point this was what was studied in the

603
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,640
silurian hypothesis but we have text

604
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:56,159
saying it was so what do we do with that

605
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,520
and then get into Genesis 11 and you

606
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:01,440
read that alongside the Sumerian when

607
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,299
you get to the Tower of Babel you

608
00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:05,039
realize you're reading about either a

609
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,039
launch pad or a Stargate this was the

610
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:09,840
place where people left the planet to

611
00:27:16,269 --> 00:27:12,840
get to space stations is what the texts

612
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,279
say so that is a previous Advanced

613
00:27:21,490 --> 00:27:18,600
space-faring civilization that in

614
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:21,500
Genesis 11 gets bombed back into a

615
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:24,779
pre-stone-age state and I argue in

616
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:26,520
escaping from Eden that by the time you

617
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:28,380
get there

618
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:31,260
Genesis 11 you probably read about five

619
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,039
planetary resets in the texts

620
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,740
and as I said earlier how would we know

621
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:39,919
well we would know if we were in contact

622
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:42,779
with others who had curated those

623
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:45,240
stories for us and were telling us what

624
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:47,580
was what and we might know from

625
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,980
survivors of more recent cataclysms

626
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:52,320
which is something referenced by Plato

627
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,080
for instance when he introduces the

628
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,320
story of Atlantis but it's there in the

629
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:00,960
Bible successive civilizations on planet

630
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:01,980
Earth

631
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:04,440
doesn't often get preached on that way

632
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:07,260
but it is all there waiting to be

633
00:28:14,350 --> 00:28:11,039
spotted and the dots to be joined

634
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:14,360
spaceship lands in the White House lawn

635
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:17,880
Jesus steps off and says I'm back

636
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,000
are you surprised

637
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:24,480
am I surprised I uh I would not be

638
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:26,220
surprised because

639
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:28,919
that is certainly one way you can read

640
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:31,559
the Ascension story that's recorded for

641
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:33,779
us in the New Testament it says that the

642
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,559
story of Jesus as far as his ministry in

643
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:39,840
and around Jerusalem was concerned that

644
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:42,840
that Ministry ended after he had been

645
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:44,400
resurrected or survived the cross and

646
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:47,880
then he got taken up into the sky in

647
00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:49,980
front of all of us in front of all these

648
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:51,240
eyewitnesses

649
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:53,880
well you know in the past how would you

650
00:28:58,029 --> 00:28:55,860
picture that you'd picture that as his

651
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:58,039
body being lifted up into the heavens

652
00:29:02,690 --> 00:29:00,900
well we now know he's going to run out

653
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,700
of oxygen pretty quickly if it's done

654
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,520
that way and you can read it another way

655
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:08,159
he was taken up into the sky in exactly

656
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,440
the same way that other eyewitnesses

657
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:12,720
have described it Through the Ages taken

658
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:15,659
up in a craft same way Elijah was same

659
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:18,299
way Ezekiel was and if it was taken up

660
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:19,380
that way

661
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,460
he would land on the White House lawn

662
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,919
maybe he'd come to Canberra the capital

663
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:27,840
of Australia instead let's not make

664
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:30,179
assumptions yeah okay yeah yeah right

665
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:32,520
now maybe I wouldn't be too surprised it

666
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,620
wouldn't be the Vatican though vatican's

667
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:37,200
right out that that's that

668
00:29:43,389 --> 00:29:41,100
um but uh is so if we if we look at it

669
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:43,399
this way

670
00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:48,480
the the the the leaders of towns of

671
00:29:54,409 --> 00:29:50,580
villages of groups of people of tribes

672
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:54,419
in in ancient times could not go back to

673
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:56,340
town and say

674
00:30:00,769 --> 00:29:58,679
I was just hanging out with ET and and

675
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:00,779
he says don't drink the water

676
00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:04,260
you you can't do that right you've got

677
00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:06,419
to come back to town and go you know God

678
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:09,500
said don't drink the water

679
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:13,980
and the town would understand that so it

680
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:16,919
turns into a belief system a religion

681
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:20,940
today with what you are suggesting here

682
00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:23,700
is this also a belief system and a

683
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:27,059
religion if if you if you understand the

684
00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:31,320
same context uh from ancient history if

685
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:35,340
we are to believe a belief system in ET

686
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:38,460
in contact is this a new version of

687
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:40,200
religion

688
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:43,919
people do say that but I don't think

689
00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:46,679
that's a helpful way to see it I when I

690
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,659
think of religion I think of something

691
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,460
that's not just a system of beliefs

692
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,380
telling people what to believe but it

693
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,840
sort of tells people what to do as well

694
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,600
and it's one of the reasons I love the

695
00:31:02,029 --> 00:31:00,000
ancient Sumerian texts because they are

696
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:02,039
not the texts of any religion in the

697
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,380
world and those texts are not there to

698
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:07,440
tell anybody what to do they are simply

699
00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:10,440
reports of what happened and I think

700
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,600
many of our sacred texts around the

701
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:15,360
world are much more like that than we

702
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:18,840
generally think that many of our ancient

703
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:22,440
texts are describing experiences rather

704
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:25,140
than saying Thou shalt do this Thou

705
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:27,720
shalt not do that I think the problem

706
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,299
with seeing it as a religion is that you

707
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:32,700
then start to empower New Elites new

708
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:34,200
priesthoods you know people who know

709
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:35,940
what's what who'll tell you what's right

710
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:38,220
and what's wrong and what to believe and

711
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,200
it's actually a very democratizing thing

712
00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:43,440
to discover these ancient texts and I

713
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:45,539
hear from people every week who read my

714
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,940
books and they say this is what I've

715
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:49,620
always thought this is what I've always

716
00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:52,860
seen in the Bible for myself and now I

717
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:54,419
feel I've got permission to say it so

718
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,340
it's actually a very liberating thing of

719
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,279
people saying I've always seen this I've

720
00:32:05,049 --> 00:32:01,440
always thought that without having to be

721
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:05,059
told by an authority

722
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,460
now we're talking about science

723
00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:10,080
that's what we're talking about here

724
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:12,299
right we're talking about science and so

725
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:13,740
much

726
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:16,260
um is out there from different

727
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:18,419
scientists I'm not talking about Newton

728
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:21,480
where who is a very religious man and

729
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:24,299
very open-minded very smart but today

730
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:27,240
there's a hard Line in the Sand with

731
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:31,740
physicists and scientists with uh you

732
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:33,539
know the religious beliefs or the

733
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:35,100
supernatural the Paranormal it doesn't

734
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:37,799
matter Consciousness right

735
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,919
um and if this all comes to pass it's

736
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:42,480
going to be the scientists those

737
00:32:46,810 --> 00:32:43,980
atheists out there that are going to be

738
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:46,820
the most spiritual

739
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:50,820
oh that's yes there'll be a lot of

740
00:32:54,889 --> 00:32:52,740
change and a lot of reframing to happen

741
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:54,899
if we're suddenly in an era of

742
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,960
disclosure but there are pockets of

743
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:00,240
science that wouldn't be too surprised I

744
00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:02,520
mean after all it is scientists and

745
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:05,159
technicians who put together the

746
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:08,340
European space agency's mission to test

747
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,100
the theory of panspermia that's the

748
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:13,679
theory that life on Earth came from off

749
00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:16,559
planet and that the genetic coding for

750
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:18,600
biological conscious life is endemic

751
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:20,460
throughout the cosmos so a lot of

752
00:33:24,529 --> 00:33:22,140
scientists had to be involved in putting

753
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:24,539
those projects together to test for that

754
00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:27,779
if you spend time with DNA scientists

755
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:29,820
you'll find a lot of people who hold to

756
00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:32,580
panspermia because they would argue the

757
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:34,500
time frame of the planet isn't long

758
00:33:40,669 --> 00:33:37,860
enough for DNA to have formed randomly

759
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:40,679
and then you go to some deep experts in

760
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:44,159
genetic coding to Maxima kukoff Vladimir

761
00:33:48,049 --> 00:33:46,140
shareback they're from the fezenko of

762
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:48,059
astrophysics School Institute in the

763
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:50,700
Kazakh al-farabi National University top

764
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,460
authorities in DNA research and they'll

765
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:55,200
tell you it's not just the time frame

766
00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:58,380
it's the structure of DNA itself that

767
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:00,899
tells you there's been some intelligence

768
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,539
behind what landed on our planet and

769
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:05,700
resulted in all the life on Earth you

770
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:07,140
can go to other fields of science as

771
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:10,139
well go to neuroscience meet the

772
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:12,419
scientists who study acquired Savant

773
00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:13,440
syndrome

774
00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:15,300
and they will tell you about this

775
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:17,940
syndrome where higher cognitive

776
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:21,119
abilities can be knocked on by accident

777
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,339
because our brains have higher cognitive

778
00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:26,159
abilities in the off position

779
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,099
and are conventional evolutionary theory

780
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:31,679
cannot explain that

781
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,440
but ancestral stories that talk about ET

782
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:36,960
interventions in our development that

783
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,440
storyline matches perfectly what our

784
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,480
neuroscientists are discovering so there

785
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,159
are pockets of scientists ready to jump

786
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:46,320
up and say I told you so

787
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:48,179
and then there'll be others who might be

788
00:34:53,329 --> 00:34:51,240
having to recant all their textbooks of

789
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:53,339
course yeah that's

790
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:56,280
that's thing because so many

791
00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:57,200
um

792
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:00,540
there are rock star personalities out

793
00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:02,940
there very intelligent people right I'm

794
00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:07,619
not here to name names but atheists and

795
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,780
and technically I'm an atheist right

796
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:12,240
okay so I don't mean it in a derogatory

797
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:17,520
way but they will say that DNA and

798
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:21,180
Consciousness is just random luck

799
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,859
all right this is like wait wait wait

800
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:25,680
wait wait wait wait wait stop with that

801
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:28,859
that and literally because they don't

802
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:31,740
want to offend their fan base Paul right

803
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:34,680
and they've they've got Legions of these

804
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:37,380
followers and they can't go with some

805
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:39,240
kind of intelligent design or something

806
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,599
else going on here but the numbers just

807
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:44,640
don't add up it's a mathematical thing

808
00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:47,880
the odds of DNA creating itself because

809
00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:51,020
of a lightning bolt that hit a crystal

810
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,859
uh in a in a creek bed and suddenly DNA

811
00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:58,320
just appeared on planet Earth uh it

812
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:00,060
doesn't work that way does it

813
00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:03,000
no it doesn't and in fact uh Vladimir

814
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:05,480
sherbach and Maxima kukov in 2013

815
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,040
produced their research showing that the

816
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:10,320
chance of it happening randomly these

817
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:13,800
patterns in our DNA is one in 10

818
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,240
trillion

819
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:17,339
so that means it didn't happen randomly

820
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:20,280
to put it in layman's terms and yes I

821
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:22,020
think you know the really strong atheist

822
00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:25,560
might have a problem with that except

823
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,540
maybe they just need to be more focused

824
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:30,480
on what they know I'm quite happy for

825
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:34,380
them to be atheists in the sense that

826
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:36,060
they are rejecting a particular

827
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:38,520
explanation of the universe or a

828
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:40,740
particular explanation of God

829
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:43,320
but they're actually hiding from certain

830
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,020
facts like that information in our DNA

831
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,760
if they want to maintain a view that

832
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:49,200
there's nothing Beyond this planet

833
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:52,740
there's no intelligence Beyond us that

834
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:54,839
then stops being science and it starts

835
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,000
being something else yeah that's right

836
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,520
and why why are they and we're going to

837
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:01,440
circle back to the Bible everybody just

838
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,040
relax but why the denial of an interest

839
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,680
in consciousness

840
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,320
I don't know it's getting harder to

841
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:12,599
avoid of course the longer we have

842
00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:16,020
quantum physics as part of the world of

843
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:18,900
physics because the place of

844
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:20,460
Consciousness has been sort of

845
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:23,760
rediscovered in that field of study I

846
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:26,579
think of enough study is allowed on

847
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:28,920
near-death experiences so people who

848
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:31,500
Flatline have experiences while they're

849
00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:34,140
Flatline and then return the more data

850
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:36,420
we have of that kind raises more

851
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:37,980
interesting questions about what

852
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:40,619
Consciousness is and how it's supported

853
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:43,020
and how it relates to this material I we

854
00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:45,660
need to do a lot of science on that

855
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:48,380
but I think to have very strong

856
00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:50,460
pronouncements on the nature of

857
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:53,180
Consciousness without an appeal to data

858
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:56,280
well that's just embarrassing that is

859
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,480
not science

860
00:38:02,270 --> 00:37:59,880
is it because they can't they can't

861
00:38:04,370 --> 00:38:02,280
measure it right they can't perform a

862
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:04,380
lab experiment and they can't turn this

863
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:07,079
into numbers therefore it's a waste of

864
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:08,579
time

865
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:13,320
yes I I think that is it and not wanting

866
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,660
to be rude but there are people who are

867
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:18,480
very comfortable in the world of maths

868
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,000
and numbers and anything that's less

869
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,220
controllable replicatable anything

870
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,140
outside of the modern scientific method

871
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:28,640
they get very anxious about and that

872
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,740
frankly might be an emotional

873
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,599
intelligence issue that we need to

874
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,579
embrace and say there there's a whole

875
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:37,440
load of territory where we have to go

876
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,980
where we can't bring our

877
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:42,960
our worldview that says there's nothing

878
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,160
Beyond matter and Mathematics we have to

879
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,500
look at other kinds of data and then

880
00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:51,359
process it together it doesn't mean that

881
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:54,359
we lose our rational thought it doesn't

882
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,800
mean that we stop being critical

883
00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:57,780
thinkers it just says we're willing to

884
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:00,540
look at other data

885
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:05,099
now if we go uh to Newton and before I

886
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:06,480
think that's a very critical time

887
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,220
actually you know three four hundred

888
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:11,280
years ago when some will say you know

889
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:13,980
the real science started right but but

890
00:39:20,569 --> 00:39:17,160
Newton uh was hermeticist he was an

891
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:20,579
alchemist he was a religious scholar he

892
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:22,500
was a mathematician he was an astronomer

893
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:25,980
he was a physicist uh his math we still

894
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:28,680
use today it was a very profound

895
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:33,359
individual and before him it was okay to

896
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:36,300
be a philosopher and a scientist and

897
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:38,099
call yourself a physicist a

898
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,460
mathematician and a religious person and

899
00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:43,680
it drove the thoughts of Consciousness

900
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:46,220
all the way back to the dawn of man

901
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:49,320
that's the way things worked why did

902
00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:51,780
that stop it seemed like the Ancients

903
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,119
really had it together

904
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:57,119
yes yes they did and I mean what you've

905
00:40:02,329 --> 00:39:59,700
described is is the Renaissance Man

906
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:02,339
uh the man who studies the whole of

907
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,460
reality the man who can do science and

908
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:07,980
philosophy and see it as part of

909
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:10,140
studying nature this was really the gift

910
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,839
of hermeticism that there was no

911
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,079
separation between these fields it was

912
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:18,240
all an attempt to understand what

913
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:22,140
reality is and how it works why that

914
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,359
broke down that's a really good question

915
00:40:29,089 --> 00:40:26,880
but certainly it was a time when

916
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:29,099
religious authorities were fighting for

917
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:31,500
control of the narrative

918
00:40:38,089 --> 00:40:35,400
and they did shut down a lot of leading

919
00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:38,099
thinkers in that time you know people

920
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:41,940
arrested place under house arrest burned

921
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:43,800
alive in the most horrible ways I mean

922
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:45,900
that was a very strong signal for the

923
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:49,440
Next Generation not to muck up the

924
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:51,660
narrative and so when you had someone

925
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:52,740
like

926
00:40:58,970 --> 00:40:56,099
um uh fuccino had set up his university

927
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:58,980
studying all these different fields

928
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,140
the religious authorities didn't want to

929
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:03,599
joined up picture and they shut that

930
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:06,540
University down so I think that was part

931
00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:08,460
of the problem that this was about

932
00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:11,700
managing information controlling the

933
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:13,560
narrative and you couldn't have

934
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:15,420
individuals who are experts on

935
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:17,640
everything because that was the church's

936
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,339
job so I think that was a big part of it

937
00:41:25,569 --> 00:41:22,320
but there was a worldview shift going on

938
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:25,579
as well because with advances in science

939
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:28,140
came the growth of something called

940
00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:31,619
scientism which is the idea that you

941
00:41:38,089 --> 00:41:34,220
can't talk about anything as fact

942
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:38,099
outside the realm of Science and that of

943
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,200
course led up to the culture wars of the

944
00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:43,680
1800s with Christians retreating into

945
00:41:49,069 --> 00:41:47,339
their world and others into their worlds

946
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:49,079
and that's probably when the Great

947
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:52,980
separation occurred and it gave birth to

948
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:55,740
new movements of people hungry and

949
00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:58,619
thirsty to study the whole of life but

950
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:01,020
from scientific start point and so

951
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:03,060
that's when people like blavatsky appear

952
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:05,339
and start doing their work attempting to

953
00:42:10,849 --> 00:42:08,460
to really get a grip on non-material

954
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:10,859
spiritual phenomena but using the

955
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:13,079
language of science to do it so it's a

956
00:42:18,109 --> 00:42:15,060
pretty long complex story but I would

957
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:18,119
love us to get back to that place where

958
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:21,240
we say we are interested in the whole of

959
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:23,160
it we're interested in all of it we're

960
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:26,700
interested in science Consciousness the

961
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,820
material the immaterial a migrate hero

962
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:31,680
in this is Plato

963
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:34,740
Plato is widely acknowledged as one of

964
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:37,320
the greatest thinkers of all time there

965
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:40,440
was a British mathematician who said

966
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:43,079
famously that the whole of the western

967
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:44,700
tradition of philosophy could be

968
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,380
regarded as no more than a series of

969
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:48,240
footnotes to Plato

970
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:49,980
and nobody disagreed with him that's how

971
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,859
great Plato was and he was a person who

972
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:55,140
was willing to say I have science

973
00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:57,480
conclusions I've reached through logic

974
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:00,359
applied to things we can all observe I

975
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:02,460
have information from Altered States Of

976
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:05,700
Consciousness I have information from

977
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,280
contact experiences and from ancient

978
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:10,680
ancestral narratives and the survivors

979
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,380
of previous civilizations he was able to

980
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:16,020
say all of that and put that in his

981
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:18,540
writings as part of a view of everything

982
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,480
and I think there is a new Hunger for a

983
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:23,119
view of everything that doesn't

984
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,500
compartmentalize that gets the whole

985
00:43:30,349 --> 00:43:27,839
picture because we want to know who we

986
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,359
are and what's possible for human beings

987
00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:33,060
and you need that global view to answer

988
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:35,000
questions like that

989
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:37,980
the when you think about and I agree

990
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:40,200
with you about Plato oh two points about

991
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:44,760
that one Plato gave full credit to

992
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:47,460
ancient Egyptians in ancient Egypt for

993
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:49,640
his views of philosophy

994
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:52,440
and there was a few other uh Greek

995
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,359
philosophers at that time too as well

996
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:56,640
that gave credit where credit was due

997
00:44:01,089 --> 00:43:59,099
but I always like that part about Plato

998
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,099
that's Point number one number two yes

999
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:03,119
Plato's Cave

1000
00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:06,060
we're talking about 400 BC here

1001
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:09,420
and to talk about and it makes you

1002
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:10,980
wonder

1003
00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:14,880
what he knew and what he saw for him to

1004
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:16,619
put those ideas he didn't have the

1005
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:19,740
ability to go watch some Marvel movie

1006
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:23,160
right to some Doctor Strange movie

1007
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:26,040
he's talking about multi-world he's

1008
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:29,880
talking about world alternate uh you

1009
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:33,660
know it it inter dementia he is talking

1010
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:35,579
about a deep philosophical narrative

1011
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:36,900
right

1012
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:40,020
um and he did that at 400 BC where does

1013
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:42,420
he get these ideas unless there was

1014
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:46,619
something for him to write about

1015
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:49,920
yes well I mean he had a framework that

1016
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,700
he got from ancient Egypt uh via the

1017
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,160
Greek legislator Solon it was a real

1018
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,560
historical person and there's plenty of

1019
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:01,200
language in Plato that suggests

1020
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:03,900
um Eastern thought Indian thought maybe

1021
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:08,339
via Egypt maybe directly but he's also

1022
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:11,400
very open that he has become convinced

1023
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:13,500
of these things and he says these are

1024
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:15,960
things I concluded but cannot prove

1025
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:17,819
but he says he's become convinced of

1026
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:21,240
them through the ellessinian Mysteries

1027
00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:24,180
and that means an altered state of

1028
00:45:28,849 --> 00:45:26,579
consciousness that enabled him to

1029
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:28,859
communicate with beings in other

1030
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,920
dimensions now he he says this

1031
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,200
absolutely openly in his books what

1032
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:37,500
amazes me is that I read those books in

1033
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:40,020
my twenties as my training to become a

1034
00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:42,300
priest in the Church of England and

1035
00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:45,380
somehow I missed all those juicy bits

1036
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,060
and I think what it was is we were given

1037
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,400
handouts on Plato that were the bits

1038
00:45:54,190 --> 00:45:51,839
relevant to the formation of Christian

1039
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,200
Theology and all these bits about

1040
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:56,640
psycho-effective tea ceremonies were

1041
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:58,980
left off the handouts so I had to go

1042
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,140
back to Plato and ReDiscover all this

1043
00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:03,420
and say how have we forgotten this and

1044
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,099
how have we become so coy and

1045
00:46:08,109 --> 00:46:06,960
embarrassed about talking about this

1046
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:08,119
kind of information

1047
00:46:14,569 --> 00:46:11,760
all these centuries later when it was

1048
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:14,579
part of mainstream conversation two and

1049
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,200
a half thousand years ago

1050
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:18,240
that's exactly right I did the same

1051
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:22,020
thing and when you read today especially

1052
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:25,260
now you know in 2023 where we're a

1053
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:27,000
little smarter than we were 100 years

1054
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:30,839
ago a lot smarter and our ability to

1055
00:46:35,890 --> 00:46:33,180
understand and to comprehend right and

1056
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:35,900
and think through you read Plato today

1057
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,200
and all you got to do is

1058
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:41,839
400 BC

1059
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:45,720
what right that's what you do uh you

1060
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:49,040
know we're talking about 2400 years ago

1061
00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:53,579
uh a belief system and and a study

1062
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,859
system that was already based on

1063
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:57,720
teachings and stuff that was learned

1064
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,960
from before so from before that's right

1065
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:03,119
from a previous culture previous

1066
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:07,079
civilization and he he openly references

1067
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:10,020
that he said the Egyptians got this from

1068
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,420
the survivors of Atlantis the previous

1069
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:15,599
civilization again unembarrassed today

1070
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,359
you mentioned Atlantis and uh people

1071
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,359
roll their eyes at you okay this this is

1072
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:23,760
where he got what he regarded as solid

1073
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,380
information from

1074
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,640
now

1075
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:28,560
um uh before we head to the break I want

1076
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:30,900
to you made a really good point

1077
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:33,839
um that the Sumerian attacks were not

1078
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,079
about uh a sales pitch

1079
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:40,079
right it wasn't it wasn't a sales pitch

1080
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:43,140
um it was a newspaper

1081
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:45,960
right it was documenting things

1082
00:47:53,569 --> 00:47:50,400
if if that is the case and I agree of

1083
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:53,579
course but if if that is the case

1084
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,180
the what were they basing it on were

1085
00:48:04,190 --> 00:47:59,880
they basing it on eyewitness stuff were

1086
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,200
they basing it on uh because it it may

1087
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,240
stretch depends on how you want to

1088
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:09,599
translate this anywhere from uh five to

1089
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:12,660
ten to two to four hundred thousand

1090
00:48:20,349 --> 00:48:17,220
years of of time of of of History

1091
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,359
so what do you think it was based on

1092
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:23,280
that's a really good question because

1093
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:26,040
the text that we find from ancient

1094
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:29,099
Sumeria Babylonia Arcadia and Assyria

1095
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:31,800
are from a certain period in time we can

1096
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,339
date that but when we read the the

1097
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,400
codices the forwards to these pieces of

1098
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,040
literature it makes clear that these are

1099
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:44,160
stories that go back way into the deep

1100
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,920
past way prior to the Sumerian

1101
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,440
civilization and I think you're right

1102
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:51,599
that some of the stories do touch upon

1103
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:55,440
interventions that were perhaps 200

1104
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,920
000 years ago and so the development of

1105
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,020
homo sapiens as we know ourselves to be

1106
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,020
is a very long story with a number of

1107
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,079
interventions I certainly believe there

1108
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:08,940
was one two hundred thousand years ago

1109
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:12,119
by visitors who wanted to use us as a

1110
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:14,760
Workforce I believe there's strong

1111
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:17,579
archaeological evidence for mining in

1112
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:19,619
that time now that's at a time when our

1113
00:49:24,109 --> 00:49:22,560
ancestors is looked similar to us but

1114
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:24,119
they weren't as clever as us they

1115
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:25,980
weren't clever enough to create a farm

1116
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,420
but they were clever enough to work in

1117
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,000
someone else's mind and then there's

1118
00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:32,880
clearly another intervention around 10

1119
00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:35,099
000 years ago I argue in escaping from

1120
00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:38,760
Eden which lifted us from that level to

1121
00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:40,740
knowing how to farm knowing how to do

1122
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,260
animal husbandry and now we can have

1123
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:45,599
surpluses specialized build cities

1124
00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:47,700
become a civilization

1125
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,260
I would suggest there's another

1126
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:51,599
intervention around sixty thousand years

1127
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:54,800
ago that Native Americans and Aboriginal

1128
00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:57,720
Australians speak about another lesson

1129
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,540
in Agronomy but on a different model to

1130
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:02,400
the one we were provided with 10 000

1131
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,500
years ago so those are just three

1132
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,960
examples of interventions and those

1133
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:09,359
stories are all embedded in the Sumerian

1134
00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:12,119
story and the codices the introductions

1135
00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:14,579
make clear that this is a library of

1136
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:17,579
memory from the deep past that they are

1137
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:19,859
now curating in their own cultural

1138
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,140
Library

1139
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:24,960
um uh anthropologists will tell you that

1140
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,300
homo sapien sapien is about 200 000

1141
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,760
years old on the far side of things they

1142
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:31,200
don't really even push it to three

1143
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:32,760
hundred thousand right they're kind of

1144
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:36,599
fixed on this 200 000 number

1145
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,280
um the Sumerian texts point to uh

1146
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:44,280
genetic modification 200 000 years ago

1147
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,220
now you've got the scientific cap and

1148
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,920
then you've got us right the two calves

1149
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:52,319
that are completely separated coming up

1150
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:56,339
with the same exact number the fastest

1151
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:01,200
it's suspicious isn't it you think

1152
00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:03,900
you know the uh the missing link that

1153
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:06,119
the proverbial right Missing Link has

1154
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:09,839
never been found and the changes that we

1155
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:11,940
just if we just go with the forehead

1156
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:14,760
right just just before it and the nose

1157
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:16,980
forget about the skin in hair and bone

1158
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,020
structure and all that okay all right

1159
00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:21,119
but if we just go with that glorious

1160
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:23,160
forehead that we have

1161
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:26,040
that's that's hundreds of millions of

1162
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:28,140
years of evolution that apparently

1163
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,520
happened

1164
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:31,200
overnight

1165
00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:34,440
two hundred thousand years ago isn't it

1166
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:39,140
is is is the Sumerian text correct

1167
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:42,180
yes I think we you're right there is

1168
00:51:46,010 --> 00:51:44,220
that correlation of information from

1169
00:51:48,770 --> 00:51:46,020
science and from ancient texts that says

1170
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:48,780
200 000 years ago and there's also an

1171
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:51,780
agreement around 10 000 years ago as

1172
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:53,819
well so that's a bit of a Smoking Gun

1173
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:56,460
those correlations but you know the

1174
00:52:02,510 --> 00:51:59,880
whole of evolution uh as a theory has a

1175
00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:02,520
challenge in that what the fossil record

1176
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,640
shows is a succession of coherent

1177
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:08,220
functional creatures so it's not just

1178
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,339
our foreign that appears like that you

1179
00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:13,920
have whole life forms that appear like

1180
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,619
that and that's where we go back to the

1181
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:19,200
intelligence in the DNA because if you

1182
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:20,940
talk to evolutionary scientists today

1183
00:52:26,569 --> 00:52:23,099
and ask for an explanation of the

1184
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:26,579
succession of coherent animals sometimes

1185
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:29,099
with quite complex systems that you

1186
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:30,960
couldn't develop in stages the whole

1187
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:33,780
system has to be there in one full swoop

1188
00:52:39,530 --> 00:52:36,839
the answer to how that happens is well

1189
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,540
there are codes that belong together to

1190
00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:41,760
produce that respiratory system or that

1191
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,099
kind of skin or that kind of fish-shaped

1192
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:45,599
tail or whatever it is you're looking

1193
00:52:51,250 --> 00:52:48,300
for and so when we hear the language of

1194
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:51,260
groups of codes that belong together

1195
00:52:57,650 --> 00:52:54,059
it's very difficult to separate that

1196
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,660
from a concept of intelligence but still

1197
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:00,480
the effort is made to to deny that

1198
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:02,460
there's that connection so it's not just

1199
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:04,260
a problem with Humanity it's a problem

1200
00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:06,660
with all life on Earth but I find

1201
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:08,339
interesting the correlations that you

1202
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,700
mentioned and the narratives that if you

1203
00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:13,980
think about it the story is about us

1204
00:53:18,650 --> 00:53:16,619
being engineered as a slave species who

1205
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:18,660
does that glorify why would you invent

1206
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:20,700
that story it doesn't glorify us or our

1207
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:24,059
ancestors doesn't glorify our visitors

1208
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,859
what I believe when I find the

1209
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:28,559
correlations from culture to culture is

1210
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,780
that every culture around the world has

1211
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:32,880
remembered that because it was a

1212
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,700
traumatic experience and the stories

1213
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,160
that overlap from culture to culture are

1214
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:40,880
the stories of these shifts and changes

1215
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:43,500
that were very important in human

1216
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:45,240
development but that were quite

1217
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:48,119
traumatic to experience and that's why

1218
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,280
there's this Fusion of what we've

1219
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:53,280
remembered and what we've forgotten and

1220
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:55,740
why we have to piece that picture back

1221
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:56,700
together

1222
00:54:01,790 --> 00:54:00,240
is uh do we have a few I'm so glad you

1223
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:01,800
said that do we have a few different

1224
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:04,380
pictures we need to piece together we

1225
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,980
have the contig the contiguous Earth in

1226
00:54:12,910 --> 00:54:10,319
the Bible number one two we have

1227
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:12,920
Atlantis three we have Sumerian attacks

1228
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:17,880
and all suggesting uh uh an ancient

1229
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:21,000
civilization and an ancient past that we

1230
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:24,960
don't recognize today but also the three

1231
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,859
don't necessarily fit together into one

1232
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:31,440
story or do they is there a way to

1233
00:54:36,049 --> 00:54:33,300
stitch them together

1234
00:54:39,170 --> 00:54:36,059
people often ask me this can I give them

1235
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:39,180
a really detailed timeline that pins

1236
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:40,800
everything down and tries all the

1237
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:43,740
stories together and the answer is no I

1238
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,680
can't really I think what I can say is

1239
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:49,200
the coherent picture that emerges is

1240
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:51,300
that life on Earth is much older than we

1241
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,200
thought

1242
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:54,839
and civilization on Earth is much older

1243
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:57,420
than we thought and interventions in our

1244
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,180
development far more numerous than we

1245
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:02,640
may have thought I think beyond that

1246
00:55:07,309 --> 00:55:04,500
it's very difficult to pin down a

1247
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:07,319
precise timeline but it's quite enough

1248
00:55:12,049 --> 00:55:10,260
of a leap for most of us to realize that

1249
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:12,059
homo sapiens might not be the first

1250
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,220
civilization on planet Earth and that on

1251
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:16,500
its own is frightening to a lot of

1252
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:18,900
people and when you consider that

1253
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:22,559
civilizations may have come and gone

1254
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,140
feeling this vulnerable on our planet

1255
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:28,079
that's a place not many people really

1256
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,020
want to go but the story of life on

1257
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:33,599
Earth is much longer and I actually find

1258
00:55:37,609 --> 00:55:35,220
that very exciting is there's so much

1259
00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:37,619
more to learn but that's exactly the

1260
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:41,819
point and and most don't want they think

1261
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:43,740
that this version of us

1262
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:46,140
right now is forever

1263
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:49,980
right and that's their comfort zone the

1264
00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:52,440
thought of what you mean we could have

1265
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,780
it's possible we can only be around for

1266
00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:57,119
2 000 years that we could actually

1267
00:56:02,109 --> 00:55:59,220
have a nuclear war and end everything

1268
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:02,119
the short answer is yes right we could

1269
00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:04,800
this all could end tomorrow

1270
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:08,579
and this may have happened many times in

1271
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:10,440
the past but people don't want to talk

1272
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:11,880
about that they're not comfortable with

1273
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:12,780
that

1274
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:17,520
makes us feel very vulnerable but also

1275
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:19,500
the other side of it is if you say well

1276
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:21,540
did you know that our ancestors said

1277
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,700
that we could be smarter than this that

1278
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:25,680
we can actually switch on more of our

1279
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:28,020
brains than this and they had protocols

1280
00:56:31,309 --> 00:56:29,520
to help us with that

1281
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,319
a lot of people don't want to go there

1282
00:56:37,549 --> 00:56:33,599
because of

1283
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:37,559
I the fear of responsibility for a far

1284
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:39,240
bigger brain I don't know what it is are

1285
00:56:44,030 --> 00:56:42,300
we comfortable just being slaves and

1286
00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:44,040
living a conventional life and then

1287
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:45,720
dying and then finding out after we've

1288
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:48,300
died what was really possible I'm quite

1289
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,760
completely the other way that when my

1290
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,040
ancestors say our ancestors were smarter

1291
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,920
and they had to dumb us down to be like

1292
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,599
this they had to put things in the

1293
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,520
environment to dumb us down to be like

1294
00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:01,920
this that gives me an appetite to say

1295
00:57:07,609 --> 00:57:05,099
okay how do I clean up my environment

1296
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:07,619
how do I switch my brain on and you've

1297
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,780
only got to study a few cases of

1298
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:11,760
acquired Savant syndrome to be asking

1299
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,000
the question can we be developing higher

1300
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:17,520
cognitive powers without brain injuries

1301
00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:19,740
so on and so forth that's really where

1302
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:22,380
I'm going that's what makes me excited I

1303
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,020
I laugh because

1304
00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:28,079
the most spiritual person on planet

1305
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:29,339
Earth

1306
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:32,520
is the atheist physicist as the plane is

1307
00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:40,670
yes you know and it's it's it's really

1308
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:45,660
true and and but yet there is this uh

1309
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:49,200
this safe Zone that probably half of the

1310
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:52,680
planet probably have is okay with that

1311
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,380
there's nothing to trip out on this is

1312
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:58,319
all there is there's nothing there's

1313
00:58:02,809 --> 00:57:59,940
nothing else

1314
00:58:04,730 --> 00:58:02,819
and that's my Pandora's Box Paul I never

1315
00:58:05,930 --> 00:58:04,740
want to have a pot I never want to be

1316
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:05,940
that person

1317
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:08,700
no this is why I love Play-Doh so much

1318
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:10,920
and Plato is very well aware that we all

1319
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:13,740
die but he felt that the great purpose

1320
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,380
of life was to find out what's real find

1321
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:18,720
out what's possible to learn what he

1322
00:58:24,049 --> 00:58:22,079
called Sophia wisdom and to have the

1323
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,059
best human experience that you could

1324
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:26,880
possibly have and in the Eden conspiracy

1325
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:29,880
I say how about we do that collectively

1326
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:33,119
can we have a better human experience as

1327
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:35,940
societies as cultures and our ancestors

1328
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:37,980
said yes we can

1329
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,720
does it uh we're going to take a break

1330
00:58:45,289 --> 00:58:42,000
here in about 60 seconds uh it's not a

1331
00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:45,299
hard break but if that becomes the case

1332
00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:49,559
as as you uh so well put it

1333
00:58:57,470 --> 00:58:53,579
does that end the necessity of the

1334
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:57,480
Vatican or or powers that need to

1335
00:59:02,589 --> 00:59:00,359
control if you take away that biggest

1336
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:02,599
question of all

1337
00:59:07,690 --> 00:59:06,240
then they do they lose the control that

1338
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:07,700
they need

1339
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:11,160
yes I think religious control has often

1340
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:14,040
been built on anxiety about this life

1341
00:59:19,130 --> 00:59:16,200
and what comes next and I think it's

1342
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:19,140
very positive to lose that to lose that

1343
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:22,140
anxiety and to lose that control the

1344
00:59:26,809 --> 00:59:24,359
vaticans still have a role because

1345
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:26,819
people will always want to know how to

1346
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:29,160
have a better Human Experience how to

1347
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:31,380
connect with spiritual phenomena how to

1348
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,780
switch on their higher cognitive

1349
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:35,520
faculties and the vatican's got a

1350
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,619
wonderful library that it can Plumb to

1351
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,839
bring out some teaching on that so

1352
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:41,760
there's always a place for Spiritual

1353
00:59:48,049 --> 00:59:44,700
teachers and the Vatican can certainly

1354
00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:48,059
do that but I think any Authority that

1355
00:59:54,170 --> 00:59:51,299
seeks to manage people control the

1356
00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:54,180
narrative control people through a

1357
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:56,040
religion that's based on anxiety about

1358
01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:58,020
this life and what comes after I think

1359
01:00:02,089 --> 01:00:00,540
we've done that for long enough

1360
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tonight Paul Wallace he's live from

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Our Guest is Paul Wallace live from

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Queensland Australia people want to know

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how I got my vision back you watch this

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show every day you watched I had glasses

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on I couldn't see I can see it's x 39

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you've got to do it I've got a patch

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but that's what I wear it's on the back

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of my neck get your vision back x39 the

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links are below our guest tonight uh

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Paul Wallace and and Paul

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um the great conversation and this is

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01:04:07,730 --> 01:04:05,880
what I I I want to turn a little bit

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01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:07,740
here and talk about technology in the

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01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:08,579
Bible

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01:04:14,049 --> 01:04:11,579
and the reason for that

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01:04:18,289 --> 01:04:14,059
is I recently just got back from Egypt

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01:04:21,730 --> 01:04:18,299
and I talk about Egypt all the time and

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01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:21,740
I'm fascinated with it but the one thing

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01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:27,599
is the Dogma that we are fed which has

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become truth okay and the Dogma is this

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that tribes

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Stone Age man wearing animal skins

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wandered out of the desert and then a

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01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:43,980
couple of weeks later

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built a Great Pyramid that's that's the

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Dogma that's the dogma and we are fed it

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01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:54,960
over and over again that we buy into it

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01:05:01,609 --> 01:04:58,799
and it doesn't fit and that's where high

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01:05:05,690 --> 01:05:01,619
technology comes into play here it

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wasn't it it wasn't a dirt ramp in in

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palm trees something else uh is involved

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here I don't know what it is

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01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:14,640
but the Bible is helping us isn't it

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01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:18,180
yes it is I had exactly the same

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01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:20,280
experience when I went to Egypt many

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01:05:27,170 --> 01:05:23,819
years ago and whenever you see the

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01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:27,180
really interesting Advanced artifacts oh

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that's pre-dynastic

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uh what does that mean well it's before

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the Egyptian history that we really know

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01:05:38,270 --> 01:05:35,819
about okay who were the pre-dynastic

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Egyptians and as you say the answer is

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01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:40,079
well they were farmers

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01:05:44,809 --> 01:05:42,119
they were farmers and then all of a

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01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,819
sudden they produced technology that we

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01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:46,799
don't know how they made it and that we

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01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:48,540
could hardly replicate it and it was

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01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:51,240
more advanced than all the stuff that we

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01:05:57,470 --> 01:05:54,240
know about so there's no evolution of

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01:05:59,630 --> 01:05:57,480
technology that could be pointed to now

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01:06:02,930 --> 01:05:59,640
what's interesting about the Bible is

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01:06:06,109 --> 01:06:02,940
that when it gets to technology the

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technology that's named does not belong

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01:06:11,809 --> 01:06:08,460
to the humans

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01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:11,819
it belongs to somebody else another

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01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:15,180
civilization and as we spoke earlier

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01:06:19,609 --> 01:06:17,040
it's really the stories of the sky

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01:06:20,690 --> 01:06:19,619
people retold are the stories of the

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Elohim

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01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:23,880
technology

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01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:27,420
so it's the Elohim called Yahweh in

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01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:31,260
Exodus 33 who has that rocket and by the

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01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:34,799
way we were saying earlier do we have a

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01:06:39,529 --> 01:06:36,900
better understanding of what we're

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01:06:42,890 --> 01:06:39,539
looking at in the texts I would say even

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01:06:44,569 --> 01:06:42,900
post Elon Musk we can understand Exodus

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01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:44,579
33 better

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01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:46,980
because prior to Elon Musk and SpaceX

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01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:49,980
nobody could picture a Saturn V type

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01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:52,200
rocket Landing vertically as it's

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01:06:56,809 --> 01:06:54,180
described in Exodus 33 now it's been

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01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:56,819
done it can land on a postage stamp and

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01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,400
we can simply read and take it face

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01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:01,440
value what's described there so that

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01:07:06,529 --> 01:07:03,660
technology belongs to Yahweh in Exodus

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01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:06,539
33 there's other technology associated

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01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:09,780
with him in the Book of Ezekiel and it's

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01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,180
technology that includes

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01:07:16,849 --> 01:07:14,400
flying technology

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01:07:18,609 --> 01:07:16,859
space fairing technology that can arrive

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01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:18,619
through wormholes

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01:07:24,529 --> 01:07:21,900
Advanced Weaponry in the Book of Ezekiel

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01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:24,539
and then remote Communications devices

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01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:26,940
in the story of the Ark of the Covenant

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01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:29,220
and the urum and the thumb in

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01:07:33,950 --> 01:07:31,980
but in all these there's a sense of

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01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:33,960
mystery around the technology Moses

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01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:36,240
wants to see this technology that he's

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01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,000
never seen before Ezekiel is fascinated

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01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:41,760
by this fine technology he's never seen

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01:07:46,849 --> 01:07:43,799
before and then terrified by the

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01:07:48,049 --> 01:07:46,859
Weaponry that he's never seen before and

1542
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,059
when we get to the communications

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01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:50,880
devices the narrators who write about

1544
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,579
those in the Hebrew scriptures clearly

1545
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:56,160
do not know how they work

1546
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:58,140
and they're describing something that

1547
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:01,260
perhaps even the priests and Prophets of

1548
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:04,020
the time didn't know how they worked and

1549
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:05,460
it's possible that what they'd actually

1550
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:08,160
done with the urum and the thumb in for

1551
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,440
instance was to try and recreate

1552
01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:13,200
technology they'd seen somebody else

1553
01:08:17,150 --> 01:08:14,579
using

1554
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,160
and that picture of ancient technology

1555
01:08:21,169 --> 01:08:19,679
in the Bible mirrors what we find in

1556
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:21,179
other places

1557
01:08:27,709 --> 01:08:24,239
in the popovu we have technology that's

1558
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:27,719
being described as if it were a creature

1559
01:08:33,530 --> 01:08:30,299
or you go to

1560
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,540
um the uh there's a wonderful carving in

1561
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:36,000
the Ashland of Queen shook of the Jaguar

1562
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:38,339
Dynasty using remote communication

1563
01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:41,759
technology but the way it's depicted it

1564
01:08:45,709 --> 01:08:43,620
looks like the Carver knows what the

1565
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:45,719
thing is knows what it does

1566
01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:48,359
but it's an approximation of technology

1567
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:51,540
that was seen so all this suggests to me

1568
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:54,420
that ancient technology didn't have any

1569
01:09:00,530 --> 01:08:57,480
Evolution behind it because it came with

1570
01:09:04,430 --> 01:09:00,540
visitors it came with ETS

1571
01:09:06,249 --> 01:09:04,440
now why is it is is it just because it's

1572
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:06,259
an easy out

1573
01:09:11,689 --> 01:09:10,080
when you hear different Scholars look at

1574
01:09:14,209 --> 01:09:11,699
what you're talking about and I've seen

1575
01:09:16,570 --> 01:09:14,219
I've got carvings here on the wall by

1576
01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:16,580
the way I've got mine and and

1577
01:09:22,669 --> 01:09:20,219
uh uh Central American carvings on my

1578
01:09:26,050 --> 01:09:22,679
walls that clearly show something pretty

1579
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:26,060
nuts but they will say it's jewelry

1580
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,400
right yes yes it's ornamental it's yes

1581
01:09:38,150 --> 01:09:35,279
you think is that just their easy way

1582
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:38,160
out without explaining it themselves

1583
01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:42,719
it's a half answer so when you go to

1584
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:45,779
Mexico or Guatemala and you look at the

1585
01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:49,560
carvings of what the uh priest kings and

1586
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:52,620
queens wore you and I will look and say

1587
01:10:00,350 --> 01:09:56,880
that's a space helmet that's a Bluetooth

1588
01:10:02,330 --> 01:10:00,360
and then we asked the guide how come

1589
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,340
they're wearing a Bluetooth how come

1590
01:10:06,530 --> 01:10:04,080
they're wearing breathing apparatus with

1591
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:06,540
that helmet they will say just as you

1592
01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:09,360
said oh no that is what they wore as

1593
01:10:13,550 --> 01:10:11,820
representations of their advancement and

1594
01:10:15,650 --> 01:10:13,560
Power

1595
01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:15,660
but the question is why

1596
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:17,640
why does something that looks like

1597
01:10:22,729 --> 01:10:20,520
breathing apparatus denote advancement

1598
01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:22,739
and power why does something that looks

1599
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:25,500
like a Bluetooth and that is used in the

1600
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,780
place of the voices represent

1601
01:10:33,169 --> 01:10:30,000
advancement and power why did they

1602
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,179
choose those images to show that they

1603
01:10:38,930 --> 01:10:35,520
were Advanced beings why did they wear

1604
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:38,940
brooches that look like aircraft why

1605
01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:41,460
that symbol and that's the question that

1606
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:44,460
isn't answered but I would say it's a

1607
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,940
very democratizing age and it's very

1608
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:50,159
right for people like you and me to go

1609
01:10:53,689 --> 01:10:51,300
and

1610
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:53,699
allow ourselves to see what's right in

1611
01:10:59,630 --> 01:10:57,000
front of us to risk sounding dumb and

1612
01:11:01,970 --> 01:10:59,640
saying but doesn't that look like a

1613
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:01,980
single pilot aircraft

1614
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,280
doesn't that look like a Bluetooth and

1615
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,920
yes it does if the explanation is these

1616
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,840
are representations of power you have to

1617
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:12,239
say why why did Queen shook in the

1618
01:11:16,130 --> 01:11:13,980
Jaguar Dynasty

1619
01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:16,140
reckon that wearing things that looked

1620
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:17,460
like that

1621
01:11:22,850 --> 01:11:20,760
would make them look more advanced and I

1622
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:22,860
think the answer is they were imitating

1623
01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:25,920
a previous culture who had that

1624
01:11:31,490 --> 01:11:28,920
technology knew what it was this is how

1625
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,500
to make it work right they saw it and

1626
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:34,080
it's here's the thing

1627
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,060
um and and we're gonna swing it back to

1628
01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:37,920
ancient Egypt but when you look at these

1629
01:11:42,590 --> 01:11:39,960
carvings

1630
01:11:44,990 --> 01:11:42,600
um I I I'm tempted to pull something off

1631
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:45,000
of the wall I won't do that but when you

1632
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:49,440
look and these Kings or got whatever who

1633
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:50,640
was depicted

1634
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,000
hands on levers feet on pedals right and

1635
01:12:04,390 --> 01:11:58,800
tell me what king was sitting on this

1636
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,290
I know what are they depicting exactly

1637
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:11,760
so uh you know you go for an academic

1638
01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:14,640
answer what are they depicting so you're

1639
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:17,940
describing the sarcophagus lid of King

1640
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:20,640
pacao from Palenque it's right here you

1641
01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:23,820
go you you go to a um

1642
01:12:27,169 --> 01:12:25,800
uh what's the word for it somebody who

1643
01:12:30,850 --> 01:12:27,179
studies symbology

1644
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:30,860
uh go to Linda Sheila and she will say

1645
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:34,380
he is in a device that is transporting

1646
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:37,560
him through the Milky Way

1647
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:41,699
as soon as Eric Von daniken repeats that

1648
01:12:47,090 --> 01:12:44,460
and says that's what it is Linda Shield

1649
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:47,100
is suddenly really embarrassed and she

1650
01:12:50,570 --> 01:12:48,420
has to say oh I didn't mean it literally

1651
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:50,580
uh that's what it is that's what the

1652
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,600
picture is but it doesn't mean it's

1653
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:53,040
anything real I didn't mean to say it

1654
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:55,560
was anything real but this is the great

1655
01:13:00,410 --> 01:12:57,480
this is the role of the writer this is

1656
01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:00,420
the role I really Revel in it's saying

1657
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,760
here's the data we all agree that's the

1658
01:13:08,030 --> 01:13:05,040
data that's the picture isn't it you

1659
01:13:12,050 --> 01:13:08,040
said this doesn't that mean this

1660
01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:12,060
isn't the implication of that this why

1661
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:15,060
would people in ancient mesoamerica want

1662
01:13:20,689 --> 01:13:17,820
to depict their King traveling in a

1663
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:20,699
craft through the Milky Way answer me

1664
01:13:26,410 --> 01:13:23,120
that and that's when the answer gets

1665
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:26,420
vague unless we're willing to accept

1666
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:29,520
they meant what they said they meant

1667
01:13:34,729 --> 01:13:32,580
what they drew they meant it as it is

1668
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,739
and now it's our turn to Think Through

1669
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:36,719
the implications of that

1670
01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:39,900
in in 1992

1671
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:42,300
um there was a great debate as the

1672
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,460
Sphinx started to get redated right by

1673
01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:46,320
Dr Robert shock and and John Anthony

1674
01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:50,280
West and the debate started and the

1675
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:53,340
position of the Skeptics uh professional

1676
01:13:59,149 --> 01:13:55,800
geologists I might add

1677
01:14:03,169 --> 01:13:59,159
um was that there is no evidence of

1678
01:14:05,149 --> 01:14:03,179
anything prior to 3000 BC so show us

1679
01:14:08,209 --> 01:14:05,159
anything and then we can have a

1680
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,219
discussion but until that point

1681
01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:10,560
everything stays the way it is the

1682
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:12,780
Sphinx is staying with its dating the

1683
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:16,140
the the Great Pyramid is and then three

1684
01:14:22,130 --> 01:14:19,199
years later go back Lee tappy and

1685
01:14:26,770 --> 01:14:22,140
Gobekli Tepe didn't predate Egypt by a

1686
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:26,780
couple of weeks if Jesus by 7 000 years

1687
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:30,420
yes and and in a way that I might argue

1688
01:14:36,830 --> 01:14:34,260
is as elegant or more elegant than what

1689
01:14:40,729 --> 01:14:36,840
the Egyptians were doing seven thousand

1690
01:14:42,169 --> 01:14:40,739
years later right yes but it doesn't

1691
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,179
change the argument today it doesn't

1692
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:43,920
change the Dogma

1693
01:14:49,870 --> 01:14:46,920
it should do quebecue Tepe is a

1694
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:49,880
profoundly important find

1695
01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:53,100
for a number of reasons I mean the date

1696
01:14:59,149 --> 01:14:55,980
first of all a megalithic

1697
01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:59,159
Society produced that site and we're now

1698
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:01,320
realizing the site at quebecue Tepe is

1699
01:15:06,130 --> 01:15:04,020
far larger than even we first imagined

1700
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,140
so again you've got that question of

1701
01:15:10,729 --> 01:15:08,880
hunter-gatherer hunter-gatherers they're

1702
01:15:12,370 --> 01:15:10,739
not even farmers at that point in our

1703
01:15:14,090 --> 01:15:12,380
history by our understanding

1704
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:14,100
hunter-gatherers have produced this

1705
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:15,480
megalithic

1706
01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:18,719
site that doesn't fit

1707
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:22,140
it was in 1998 that Manfred Hoin took a

1708
01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:24,780
team to another part of turkey Southeast

1709
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:27,300
turkey to karaka Dag where they

1710
01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:29,880
identified what they strongly argued was

1711
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,719
the first known Farm the first

1712
01:15:38,090 --> 01:15:35,760
where naturally occurring plants were

1713
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,100
turned into cultivatable crops the first

1714
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,280
occurrence of animal husbandry he took a

1715
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:43,679
team from the University of as in Norway

1716
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:46,320
in the max Institute in Cologne Germany

1717
01:15:51,050 --> 01:15:48,960
and they studied that and they said this

1718
01:15:52,490 --> 01:15:51,060
Great Leap Forward which is so long

1719
01:15:55,729 --> 01:15:52,500
fascinated archaeologists and

1720
01:15:58,189 --> 01:15:55,739
anthropologists happened here and it was

1721
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,199
so local it may have been a single

1722
01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:00,239
family that suddenly

1723
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,280
genetically modified plants and do

1724
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,560
animal husbandry and then it Peppers up

1725
01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:06,480
all around the world so it was a very

1726
01:16:11,169 --> 01:16:09,179
exciting find the very first Farm the

1727
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:11,179
beginning of civilization as we know it

1728
01:16:19,850 --> 01:16:15,840
except a few hundred miles down the road

1729
01:16:22,189 --> 01:16:19,860
has built a megalithic site tell me how

1730
01:16:26,030 --> 01:16:22,199
those go together and it strongly

1731
01:16:29,689 --> 01:16:26,040
suggests to me a pivot in human history

1732
01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:29,699
a pivot between two civilizations one

1733
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:31,860
that is coming to the end of its time

1734
01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:35,040
and carefully Bears its remains because

1735
01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:36,780
that's what happened to go back to Tepe

1736
01:16:42,590 --> 01:16:39,960
and then there's a re-emergence

1737
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:42,600
uh in the same country as it is today in

1738
01:16:48,590 --> 01:16:45,420
southeast turkey so one

1739
01:16:50,750 --> 01:16:48,600
culture extinct one re-emerges and the

1740
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:50,760
timing is really suspicious because it

1741
01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:53,219
is in the recovery from the younger

1742
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:56,100
driest cold period that that pivot is

1743
01:17:01,250 --> 01:16:58,920
happening now this I think lends

1744
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,260
Credence to what Graeme Hancock talks

1745
01:17:07,010 --> 01:17:03,440
about where he talks about previous

1746
01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:07,020
civilizations and the survivors of those

1747
01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:11,219
seeding everything we know about and I I

1748
01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:13,320
applaud him for his work in highlighting

1749
01:17:19,729 --> 01:17:14,420
that

1750
01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:19,739
yes but our ancestors were also very

1751
01:17:25,610 --> 01:17:22,440
specific about what regions of space

1752
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:25,620
many of our helpers came from and they

1753
01:17:32,750 --> 01:17:29,640
named the Pleiades Sirius and Orion and

1754
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:32,760
they named it all around the world so

1755
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:35,580
just as it go back to Tepe you've got

1756
01:17:41,630 --> 01:17:38,400
images and motifs that can be found all

1757
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:41,640
around the planet that explanation of

1758
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:43,320
the Great Leap Forward can be found all

1759
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,120
around the planet as well and that's why

1760
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:47,040
I think we really need to do business

1761
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:50,640
with the ET aspect of the story

1762
01:17:55,610 --> 01:17:54,000
um can I throw in one other wrench

1763
01:17:56,930 --> 01:17:55,620
may I

1764
01:17:58,850 --> 01:17:56,940
you may

1765
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:58,860
go back Lee tappy

1766
01:18:06,110 --> 01:18:02,159
the birthplace of Abraham is it the

1767
01:18:09,070 --> 01:18:06,120
biblically right right and you throw

1768
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:09,080
that at not anywhere on the planet right

1769
01:18:17,390 --> 01:18:14,159
specifically that region right there and

1770
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:17,400
and the the other part so I want you to

1771
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,400
respond I like you oh yeah I know right

1772
01:18:27,370 --> 01:18:22,400
um but is this

1773
01:18:30,410 --> 01:18:27,380
the ability to construct Gobekli Tepe

1774
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:30,420
requires everything that anthropologists

1775
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:32,340
are in denial about

1776
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:34,920
you need organization you need a

1777
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:37,380
government you need agriculture you've

1778
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:39,300
got a clothes you've got to feed you

1779
01:18:43,550 --> 01:18:40,860
have to have the technology you have to

1780
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:43,560
have the knowledge of coring you have to

1781
01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:45,960
be artistic you have to be able to do

1782
01:18:55,010 --> 01:18:49,980
think in 3D in in your artwork a lot of

1783
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,020
this is uh relief carving and 3D and all

1784
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,840
of those things were not uh supposed to

1785
01:19:03,110 --> 01:18:59,120
exist

1786
01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:03,120
in BC and that's a whole lot of boxes to

1787
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:06,060
check isn't it and then throwing Abraham

1788
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:07,320
right

1789
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:09,780
well that's a that's a great question

1790
01:19:15,470 --> 01:19:13,080
because uh caracadag is supposedly the

1791
01:19:18,590 --> 01:19:15,480
first Farm except the Great Leap Forward

1792
01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:18,600
had obviously already happened thousands

1793
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:21,719
of years prior for Gobekli Tepe to be

1794
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:24,960
there so you've got a series of

1795
01:19:29,689 --> 01:19:27,960
beginnings of civilization and we're

1796
01:19:32,209 --> 01:19:29,699
beginning to Echo what we said earlier

1797
01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:32,219
that's described in the Bible now

1798
01:19:37,550 --> 01:19:34,980
Abraham is certainly a story of

1799
01:19:40,189 --> 01:19:37,560
Beginnings in the Bible could where it

1800
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:40,199
occurs in the can and as it is now it's

1801
01:19:45,890 --> 01:19:42,360
the beginning of Jewish history

1802
01:19:48,350 --> 01:19:45,900
I would suggest that embedded in the

1803
01:19:51,290 --> 01:19:48,360
story of Abraham and Sarah is an even

1804
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:51,300
more ancient story than that

1805
01:19:58,430 --> 01:19:54,120
even more ancient than the Great Leap

1806
01:20:00,350 --> 01:19:58,440
Forward with regard to agronomy

1807
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:00,360
if you go

1808
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:03,600
further east to India you will hear the

1809
01:20:13,390 --> 01:20:07,920
stories of Brahma and Sarah Swati the

1810
01:20:18,530 --> 01:20:15,890
those names sound rather familiar don't

1811
01:20:21,229 --> 01:20:18,540
they Abraham Sarah

1812
01:20:23,090 --> 01:20:21,239
and Abraham is honored as the father of

1813
01:20:24,830 --> 01:20:23,100
and we usually say the father of many

1814
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:24,840
nations

1815
01:20:32,350 --> 01:20:29,840
Bible

1816
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:32,360
where you've got

1817
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,760
Ishmael and Isaac

1818
01:20:41,149 --> 01:20:38,159
the Arabic peoples the Semitic peoples

1819
01:20:44,050 --> 01:20:41,159
but it says many nations What If Abraham

1820
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,060
is the father of the many nations

1821
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:46,320
suddenly you realize

1822
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:49,260
it's a parallel story to Brahma

1823
01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:52,800
the father of humanity and there's a

1824
01:20:57,709 --> 01:20:55,320
clue in the Bible that it is a story of

1825
01:20:59,570 --> 01:20:57,719
human Origins not just Jewish Origins

1826
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:59,580
that we find in Abraham and Sarah first

1827
01:21:02,270 --> 01:21:00,480
of all

1828
01:21:04,490 --> 01:21:02,280
they are a couple that's not going to

1829
01:21:07,610 --> 01:21:04,500
have children they have children after a

1830
01:21:09,890 --> 01:21:07,620
close encounter experience and two

1831
01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:09,900
generations after you've got two

1832
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:13,560
different kinds of human being in their

1833
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:17,520
bloodline you've got the smooth skinned

1834
01:21:22,250 --> 01:21:20,400
clever sophisticated one and then you've

1835
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:22,260
got one who's much bigger and stronger

1836
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,600
and covered in red hair

1837
01:21:29,570 --> 01:21:27,120
and the smooth skin human being has to

1838
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:29,580
work out how to get dominance over the

1839
01:21:34,010 --> 01:21:31,980
environment well that to me sounds like

1840
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:34,020
a story from a time when there was more

1841
01:21:39,229 --> 01:21:36,600
than one kind of hominid more than one

1842
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,239
kind of human on the Earth's surface and

1843
01:21:44,209 --> 01:21:41,280
the smooth one had to work out how to

1844
01:21:45,649 --> 01:21:44,219
get dominance that's a story of human

1845
01:21:48,649 --> 01:21:45,659
Origins

1846
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:48,659
so putting all that together Abraham

1847
01:21:54,530 --> 01:21:52,320
Sarah Brahma Saraswati two kinds of

1848
01:21:56,990 --> 01:21:54,540
humans you realize that Abraham and

1849
01:21:59,930 --> 01:21:57,000
Sarah is every bit as much a story of

1850
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:59,940
Beginnings as the story of Adam and Eve

1851
01:22:04,910 --> 01:22:02,400
as the story of Noah and his family in

1852
01:22:08,030 --> 01:22:04,920
the repopulation and I would suggest

1853
01:22:11,570 --> 01:22:08,040
that all those stories are about the

1854
01:22:15,649 --> 01:22:11,580
reset of civilization on Earth and

1855
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:15,659
quebecue Tepe adjacent to karaka Dag is

1856
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:19,500
hard copy evidence of one planetary

1857
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:22,260
reset the most recent one from about ten

1858
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:24,060
thousand years ago and once you've seen

1859
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:30,649
go back Lee tappy

1860
01:22:37,010 --> 01:22:34,159
um I mean at least to this point

1861
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:37,020
be the most important Discovery in the

1862
01:22:42,050 --> 01:22:39,420
history of of humankind up until now

1863
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:42,060
there's many more to be discovered but

1864
01:22:49,070 --> 01:22:46,620
it is certainly dramatic and yeah I'm

1865
01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:49,080
very surprised that the media and and

1866
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:51,960
the educational system hasn't changed

1867
01:22:58,490 --> 01:22:53,820
their focus I think it's that important

1868
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,500
isn't it it is it is because it does

1869
01:23:03,169 --> 01:23:00,239
more than throw a huge question mark

1870
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,179
over everything we thought we knew about

1871
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:05,520
the history of the human race and human

1872
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,159
development it really does so you're

1873
01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:11,040
right archaeologically it is the most

1874
01:23:16,130 --> 01:23:12,840
important find

1875
01:23:20,450 --> 01:23:16,140
potentially alongside one other and that

1876
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,460
was the find of gilgamesh's Tomb in

1877
01:23:25,610 --> 01:23:22,320
1993.

1878
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,620
because there we had the opportunity to

1879
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:27,840
scientifically test what I said earlier

1880
01:23:32,330 --> 01:23:30,480
that there's an ET aspect to the story

1881
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:32,340
of the Great Leap Forward

1882
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,760
if that was gilgamesh's tomb then we

1883
01:23:40,189 --> 01:23:38,159
could test whatever's there for any

1884
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:40,199
evidence that it was something other

1885
01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:43,620
than a human being in that sarcophagus

1886
01:23:50,270 --> 01:23:47,100
and it was York Fassbender who made that

1887
01:23:52,130 --> 01:23:50,280
find through soil magnetization and it

1888
01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:52,140
could have been the fine not only of the

1889
01:23:57,290 --> 01:23:54,360
century but of all time to be able to

1890
01:23:59,450 --> 01:23:57,300
test that were the Sumerian Sky people

1891
01:24:01,970 --> 01:23:59,460
fact or fiction

1892
01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:01,980
and having found it and it was so

1893
01:24:08,209 --> 01:24:04,980
important that within days of going into

1894
01:24:10,250 --> 01:24:08,219
Iraq in the incursion of 1993 there was

1895
01:24:12,830 --> 01:24:10,260
a militarily protected archaeological

1896
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:12,840
dig to retrieve that sarcophagus and

1897
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:15,120
then silence

1898
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:17,640
no more mention of it nothing mentioned

1899
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,080
until a few years later when York

1900
01:24:22,970 --> 01:24:20,880
Fassbender says we decided not to

1901
01:24:25,130 --> 01:24:22,980
investigate any further thought it would

1902
01:24:27,410 --> 01:24:25,140
be safer to bury the site that is just

1903
01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:27,420
not logical you don't go to the effort

1904
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:29,840
of getting a militarily guarded

1905
01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:33,120
archaeological Expedition into Iraq days

1906
01:24:40,370 --> 01:24:37,260
after invading and then change your mind

1907
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,380
I think the logic says we got it we

1908
01:24:44,090 --> 01:24:42,239
tested it we didn't want to test it in

1909
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,100
public in case the fines were too

1910
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:46,560
earth-shattering if the if the result

1911
01:24:51,050 --> 01:24:48,540
was not earth-shattering we would

1912
01:24:54,410 --> 01:24:51,060
publish it but since nothing has been

1913
01:24:56,630 --> 01:24:54,420
published I think something was found I

1914
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:56,640
think put that alongside gerberley Tepe

1915
01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:58,920
and you have really retold the whole

1916
01:25:03,290 --> 01:25:01,500
story of humanity

1917
01:25:04,669 --> 01:25:03,300
I believe

1918
01:25:07,370 --> 01:25:04,679
um and by the way we're going to circle

1919
01:25:10,490 --> 01:25:07,380
back to communication devices

1920
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,500
um uh I meant to do that a while ago

1921
01:25:14,090 --> 01:25:12,840
the conversation is too fascinating it's

1922
01:25:15,709 --> 01:25:14,100
going to go where it's going to go

1923
01:25:17,709 --> 01:25:15,719
organically

1924
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:17,719
um but but it's this

1925
01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:22,260
out of all of The evolutionary points

1926
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:25,320
that got us here I think one of the most

1927
01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:27,000
important

1928
01:25:34,630 --> 01:25:29,699
is the domestication of wheat

1929
01:25:39,470 --> 01:25:34,640
and it is from a scientific standpoint

1930
01:25:43,209 --> 01:25:39,480
insane to think through this but we are

1931
01:25:46,209 --> 01:25:43,219
also suggesting here

1932
01:25:51,649 --> 01:25:46,219
that it was some dude

1933
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:51,659
Barefoot in the desert instead of uh out

1934
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:53,400
hunting and Gathering

1935
01:25:58,669 --> 01:25:55,920
and and and helping his family survive

1936
01:26:01,970 --> 01:25:58,679
his wife comes up and says hey

1937
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:01,980
we got to feed the kids and he says I

1938
01:26:09,770 --> 01:26:05,840
got an idea here right yeah yeah

1939
01:26:12,649 --> 01:26:09,780
I've been splicing jeans

1940
01:26:13,810 --> 01:26:12,659
give me a minute I'm close I'm close

1941
01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:13,820
yeah

1942
01:26:19,550 --> 01:26:16,260
that to me

1943
01:26:23,689 --> 01:26:19,560
is something that was taught

1944
01:26:26,570 --> 01:26:23,699
right oh yes I think and with that idea

1945
01:26:29,149 --> 01:26:26,580
definitely I think it is the most

1946
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:29,159
obvious conclusion to reach when you

1947
01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:32,639
look at what had to be done to change

1948
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:35,880
and naturally occur in Grass into wheat

1949
01:26:41,870 --> 01:26:38,400
as we know it cultivatable wheat you

1950
01:26:44,570 --> 01:26:41,880
have to alter two genes

1951
01:26:46,370 --> 01:26:44,580
okay so that's my joke that he hadn't

1952
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,380
gone out under Gathering because he was

1953
01:26:50,930 --> 01:26:48,239
splicing jeans that's what he had to do

1954
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:50,940
he had to alter two genes just to

1955
01:26:58,430 --> 01:26:55,679
produce wheat and at karaka dag he

1956
01:27:02,330 --> 01:26:58,440
modified this dude this Barefoot dude

1957
01:27:05,390 --> 01:27:02,340
modified 11 naturally occurring plants

1958
01:27:07,970 --> 01:27:05,400
now to put that in perspective I lived

1959
01:27:09,950 --> 01:27:07,980
on the farm that belonged to William

1960
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:09,960
Pharaoh now if you don't know the name

1961
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:12,900
William Farah he is the guy who produced

1962
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:15,480
Federation wheat that was the kind of

1963
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:17,580
wheat that was able to grow in a harsh

1964
01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:20,040
climate of Australia so the Brits got

1965
01:27:24,410 --> 01:27:22,860
here took over rather than learning from

1966
01:27:27,290 --> 01:27:24,420
the Aboriginal Australians they want to

1967
01:27:29,209 --> 01:27:27,300
reinvent the wheel and find wheat that

1968
01:27:31,370 --> 01:27:29,219
they can cultivate in Australia none of

1969
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:31,380
the European strains can do it

1970
01:27:36,890 --> 01:27:34,620
so it has to be altered it took William

1971
01:27:40,370 --> 01:27:36,900
Farah who was

1972
01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:40,380
a the son of a farmer he'd grown up in

1973
01:27:46,729 --> 01:27:43,320
farming and he had all the advantages of

1974
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,739
19th century science to work out how to

1975
01:27:51,530 --> 01:27:48,719
modify wheat that was already

1976
01:27:55,550 --> 01:27:51,540
cultivatable to produce Federation we

1977
01:27:57,950 --> 01:27:55,560
took him 20 years with all those

1978
01:28:01,010 --> 01:27:57,960
advantages to say I've done it to one

1979
01:28:04,189 --> 01:28:01,020
plant I've changed British wheat into

1980
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,199
Federation week 20 years and yet this

1981
01:28:09,890 --> 01:28:07,199
Barefoot dude in karako diet can do that

1982
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:09,900
11 times over in his spare time one is

1983
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:12,719
not busy surviving it's ridiculous

1984
01:28:19,129 --> 01:28:15,239
it it blows my mind

1985
01:28:22,189 --> 01:28:19,139
and I don't the it it's kind of like a

1986
01:28:25,610 --> 01:28:22,199
case uh Paul a few willowbakum's razor

1987
01:28:28,669 --> 01:28:25,620
you know because the story that we are

1988
01:28:32,810 --> 01:28:28,679
told is complex

1989
01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:32,820
right it no it it wasn't he was just

1990
01:28:38,689 --> 01:28:36,120
taught somebody came in and showed him

1991
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:38,699
what to do you you are not and I'm

1992
01:28:44,570 --> 01:28:41,760
serious about this literally wearing

1993
01:28:46,729 --> 01:28:44,580
animal skins wondering how you are going

1994
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,739
to survive the night

1995
01:28:51,470 --> 01:28:49,199
with your family and wake up in the

1996
01:28:53,870 --> 01:28:51,480
morning alive and you're going to be

1997
01:28:56,810 --> 01:28:53,880
that person and then turn around and

1998
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:56,820
start genetically splicing organic

1999
01:29:01,250 --> 01:28:59,760
material to domesticate

2000
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:01,260
no

2001
01:29:05,090 --> 01:29:03,120
or take the kidney pain

2002
01:29:07,310 --> 01:29:05,100
I mean the kidney bean is poisonous if

2003
01:29:10,250 --> 01:29:07,320
you pick it up off the ground and eat it

2004
01:29:12,169 --> 01:29:10,260
so was it that same Barefoot dude who

2005
01:29:14,209 --> 01:29:12,179
having nearly poisoned his family says

2006
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:14,219
let's eat these again but boil them for

2007
01:29:18,290 --> 01:29:16,080
12 minutes first

2008
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:18,300
I mean you don't get there through

2009
01:29:23,149 --> 01:29:20,760
guesswork you have to be helped and the

2010
01:29:26,689 --> 01:29:23,159
fact is our ancestors all around the

2011
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:26,699
world say we had help they just say it

2012
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:30,000
like it is our ancestors were visited

2013
01:29:34,189 --> 01:29:32,100
the Aboriginal Australians in the

2014
01:29:38,209 --> 01:29:34,199
Northern Territory the yongu people will

2015
01:29:39,850 --> 01:29:38,219
say the Mimi people taught us how to

2016
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:39,860
farm and how to live off the land

2017
01:29:44,930 --> 01:29:42,480
Cherokee people will say people came

2018
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:44,940
from the Pleiades who taught us these

2019
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,159
things

2020
01:29:52,010 --> 01:29:48,960
Ashura from the Pleiades in the Bible

2021
01:29:53,629 --> 01:29:52,020
taught our ancestors these things and

2022
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,639
that is

2023
01:29:57,890 --> 01:29:55,679
an explanation that makes sense we don't

2024
01:30:01,070 --> 01:29:57,900
have an explanation outside of what our

2025
01:30:03,169 --> 01:30:01,080
ancestors said and do we really have a

2026
01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:03,179
reason to question it why would they

2027
01:30:06,410 --> 01:30:05,219
invent that story it doesn't glorify

2028
01:30:09,890 --> 01:30:06,420
them

2029
01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:09,900
it's well it's the same thing with uh uh

2030
01:30:15,290 --> 01:30:12,420
uh our chromosome count

2031
01:30:18,530 --> 01:30:15,300
and chromosome pairs and and how Homo

2032
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:18,540
sapiens are Homo sapiens and and what's

2033
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,639
up there was so much information in two

2034
01:30:26,030 --> 01:30:23,280
pairs of chromosomes but we're missing

2035
01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:26,040
those two but primates have it

2036
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:28,380
so why aren't they the ones developing

2037
01:30:34,129 --> 01:30:31,199
the internet and nuclear weapons

2038
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,139
right yes that's right and it is such a

2039
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:36,480
precise alteration

2040
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,280
uh that raises huge questions so I think

2041
01:30:45,770 --> 01:30:43,440
I don't understand this because surely

2042
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,780
academics make their living by asking

2043
01:30:50,090 --> 01:30:48,239
big questions and then writing books and

2044
01:30:51,709 --> 01:30:50,100
papers to answer them wouldn't it be

2045
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:51,719
interesting to have some bigger

2046
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:55,199
questions on the table once again

2047
01:31:02,030 --> 01:30:59,280
but that's it and and I I think that

2048
01:31:04,490 --> 01:31:02,040
I think that history

2049
01:31:07,550 --> 01:31:04,500
far history in the future is going to

2050
01:31:09,250 --> 01:31:07,560
prove us to be to be on the right side

2051
01:31:12,290 --> 01:31:09,260
of the fence here

2052
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:12,300
and I'm not here to embarrass people or

2053
01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:14,639
anything I'm just trying to get to the

2054
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:17,219
answers to these these questions and

2055
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,199
what I have been taught just doesn't

2056
01:31:23,810 --> 01:31:21,600
make any sense and that's all that I'm

2057
01:31:27,470 --> 01:31:23,820
saying there's when we look at the

2058
01:31:29,689 --> 01:31:27,480
Sumerian text and it clearly states the

2059
01:31:32,209 --> 01:31:29,699
answers to everything that we have been

2060
01:31:34,970 --> 01:31:32,219
very perplexed about it's like the

2061
01:31:37,790 --> 01:31:34,980
Occam's razor thing maybe the simplest

2062
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:37,800
answer here is the right one why make

2063
01:31:45,290 --> 01:31:41,360
this so complex or say that you don't

2064
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:45,300
or if all you did was take the overlap a

2065
01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:48,239
story from ancient Sumeria and Guatemala

2066
01:31:54,830 --> 01:31:51,480
and Mexico and Nigeria and the Zulu

2067
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:54,840
people and ancient Greece and the north

2068
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:57,060
stories and The Vedic store if all you

2069
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:59,280
took was the overlap you would have a

2070
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:01,679
coherent picture about who we are and

2071
01:32:09,470 --> 01:32:03,600
where we came from

2072
01:32:16,370 --> 01:32:12,470
back at like the story of Noah and he

2073
01:32:19,790 --> 01:32:16,380
brought this up earlier if you what uh

2074
01:32:21,950 --> 01:32:19,800
uh oh it was called Noah right the movie

2075
01:32:24,590 --> 01:32:21,960
that came out like 10 years ago that's

2076
01:32:27,370 --> 01:32:24,600
right with Russell Crowe yeah right yeah

2077
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:27,380
that's it that's why I didn't remember

2078
01:32:34,610 --> 01:32:30,080
oh man is

2079
01:32:36,830 --> 01:32:34,620
that uh on being kind I'm being kind uh

2080
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:36,840
is is that

2081
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:39,840
they took Special Care

2082
01:32:44,090 --> 01:32:42,480
to respect the Bible in the writing of

2083
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:44,100
that screenplay

2084
01:32:47,870 --> 01:32:46,440
you take the Bible out and you're

2085
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:47,880
watching

2086
01:32:52,129 --> 01:32:50,100
E.T contact

2087
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:52,139
that's what the Watchers that's exactly

2088
01:32:57,530 --> 01:32:54,480
what's being depicted in that in in that

2089
01:33:01,850 --> 01:32:57,540
movie although they were trying to

2090
01:33:03,950 --> 01:33:01,860
respect the the Bible as it sat it was a

2091
01:33:09,649 --> 01:33:03,960
very interesting picture to watch there

2092
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:09,659
was a huge ET contact uh storyline there

2093
01:33:14,330 --> 01:33:12,480
yes there was and it would be very

2094
01:33:16,490 --> 01:33:14,340
interesting for anyone who knew the

2095
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:16,500
Sumerian stories to watch the Russell

2096
01:33:20,990 --> 01:33:19,199
Crowe knower as well because there is an

2097
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:21,000
acknowledgment in the Sumerian telling

2098
01:33:28,430 --> 01:33:24,300
of the Noah story of contact experiences

2099
01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:28,440
being part of what happened and why it

2100
01:33:32,330 --> 01:33:29,340
happened

2101
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:32,340
uh so it's it's even more interesting to

2102
01:33:37,490 --> 01:33:34,320
re-watch that when you've read the

2103
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,500
Sumerian texts now can we go back to uh

2104
01:33:41,810 --> 01:33:39,360
you mentioned uh communication devices

2105
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,820
uh what specific uh story in the Bible

2106
01:33:46,370 --> 01:33:43,679
talks about this

2107
01:33:50,649 --> 01:33:46,380
so the Ark of the Covenant is this

2108
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:50,659
fascinating piece that is constructed

2109
01:33:57,050 --> 01:33:54,719
for the leaders of the tribes of Israel

2110
01:33:58,669 --> 01:33:57,060
to

2111
01:34:02,750 --> 01:33:58,679
perform things that look like

2112
01:34:05,450 --> 01:34:02,760
technological feats so the ark seems to

2113
01:34:08,209 --> 01:34:05,460
be able to generate a vortices of wind

2114
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:08,219
for instance which is interesting on its

2115
01:34:15,470 --> 01:34:12,960
own it's the vested object of um

2116
01:34:17,930 --> 01:34:15,480
of Israelite society which means it

2117
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:17,940
represents the authority to govern and

2118
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:20,159
that hints that it belonging to the

2119
01:34:26,570 --> 01:34:24,960
powers that governed before but Moses is

2120
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:26,580
told that

2121
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:29,400
when this device has been constructed

2122
01:34:35,570 --> 01:34:32,400
according to precise instructions when

2123
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:35,580
he is seated near it that is when he

2124
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:40,560
will get communication from Yahweh

2125
01:34:48,590 --> 01:34:44,340
and that therefore what the leader says

2126
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:48,600
when he's sat adjacent to the ark has to

2127
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:51,000
be believed implicitly and obeyed

2128
01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:52,320
implicitly

2129
01:34:56,750 --> 01:34:54,780
and it runs in parallel with other

2130
01:35:00,050 --> 01:34:56,760
vested object stories from around the

2131
01:35:01,910 --> 01:35:00,060
world so you can go to well I mean queen

2132
01:35:03,649 --> 01:35:01,920
shook is another example when she's in

2133
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:03,659
the place of the voices wearing that

2134
01:35:08,030 --> 01:35:06,000
thing that looks like a Bluetooth she's

2135
01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:08,040
getting communication from The Feathered

2136
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,380
serpents and therefore what she says

2137
01:35:14,689 --> 01:35:12,480
must be believed and must be obeyed so

2138
01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:14,699
you've got that parallel there or you

2139
01:35:19,850 --> 01:35:17,340
can go to the country of my father's on

2140
01:35:22,610 --> 01:35:19,860
my father's side Ghana you've only got

2141
01:35:24,830 --> 01:35:22,620
the right to govern over the Ashanti

2142
01:35:27,530 --> 01:35:24,840
people if you're Seated on this

2143
01:35:30,169 --> 01:35:27,540
particular device called The Golden

2144
01:35:31,129 --> 01:35:30,179
Throne very similar to the Ark of the

2145
01:35:34,370 --> 01:35:31,139
Covenant

2146
01:35:37,370 --> 01:35:34,380
and what's Curious is that all these

2147
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:37,380
stories associate the power to speak

2148
01:35:42,410 --> 01:35:39,840
authoritatively and to govern

2149
01:35:44,270 --> 01:35:42,420
with an intelligence that's absent

2150
01:35:47,149 --> 01:35:44,280
that's in some other place some other

2151
01:35:49,370 --> 01:35:47,159
dimension so The Feathered serpents uh

2152
01:35:51,649 --> 01:35:49,380
who knows where but Queen shook's

2153
01:35:53,810 --> 01:35:51,659
getting communication

2154
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:53,820
Yahweh is who knows where but when

2155
01:35:57,709 --> 01:35:55,440
you're seated by the Ark of the Covenant

2156
01:36:00,350 --> 01:35:57,719
you get in communication and you can

2157
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:00,360
reign in his name and we've got a little

2158
01:36:08,030 --> 01:36:04,560
echo of that going on in 2023 King

2159
01:36:11,930 --> 01:36:08,040
Charles III is going to be crowned

2160
01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:11,940
seated above the stone of Destiny the

2161
01:36:17,149 --> 01:36:14,760
stone of scone or scone

2162
01:36:20,570 --> 01:36:17,159
now it's used for the crowning of

2163
01:36:22,189 --> 01:36:20,580
English kings and queens because it

2164
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:22,199
gives them the authority to govern over

2165
01:36:25,970 --> 01:36:24,000
Scotland because it's their vested

2166
01:36:27,950 --> 01:36:25,980
object it was used for the coronation of

2167
01:36:29,390 --> 01:36:27,960
Scottish Kings and then before then it

2168
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,400
was in Ireland and it was used for the

2169
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:31,679
coronation of Irish Kings and before it

2170
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:32,760
was in Ireland

2171
01:36:39,649 --> 01:36:35,280
it was in the Middle East and The Story

2172
01:36:43,250 --> 01:36:39,659
Goes it was part of the standing stones

2173
01:36:45,470 --> 01:36:43,260
that Jacob built at the place where he

2174
01:36:48,050 --> 01:36:45,480
experienced Close Encounters

2175
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:48,060
so this is a bizarre story

2176
01:36:53,870 --> 01:36:50,880
King Charles is basing his authority to

2177
01:36:56,510 --> 01:36:53,880
rule over Scotland because he's got an

2178
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:56,520
object that comes from a place that

2179
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,280
experienced close encounters with beings

2180
01:37:03,290 --> 01:37:01,199
from outer space coming down from space

2181
01:37:05,629 --> 01:37:03,300
going back up into space

2182
01:37:07,370 --> 01:37:05,639
Jacob builds the standing stones and now

2183
01:37:10,129 --> 01:37:07,380
we've got a bit of it

2184
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:10,139
so why is a sovereign in the 21st

2185
01:37:16,010 --> 01:37:12,239
century again associating his authority

2186
01:37:17,530 --> 01:37:16,020
to rule with an ET based story

2187
01:37:23,090 --> 01:37:17,540
because

2188
01:37:25,250 --> 01:37:23,100
experience of governance goes back to

2189
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:25,260
that time when we were governed by the

2190
01:37:31,129 --> 01:37:28,560
ETS who met Jacob in Bethel so on and so

2191
01:37:33,950 --> 01:37:31,139
forth or the ETS who use the Bluetooths

2192
01:37:35,930 --> 01:37:33,960
in Guatemala or the ETS who crafted the

2193
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:35,940
original Ark of the Covenant in the

2194
01:37:43,610 --> 01:37:40,159
Levant it's part of the same pattern

2195
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:43,620
uh like I said because it's true

2196
01:37:50,810 --> 01:37:46,560
because it's true yeah there was I I I

2197
01:37:54,649 --> 01:37:50,820
try to uh I try to keep religion out of

2198
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:54,659
my show and politics uh you can't avoid

2199
01:37:59,689 --> 01:37:58,020
but it's the conspiracy of religion that

2200
01:38:01,970 --> 01:37:59,699
I will talk about all day long and

2201
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:01,980
that's what not conspiracy in a criminal

2202
01:38:10,910 --> 01:38:05,600
sense well kind of but in in this case

2203
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:10,920
where we cannot uh ignore the facts here

2204
01:38:17,689 --> 01:38:14,159
right and and if we follow the chain of

2205
01:38:20,330 --> 01:38:17,699
custody of that stone uh all the way

2206
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:20,340
back it goes back to the Middle East it

2207
01:38:26,090 --> 01:38:24,480
doesn't come from The Plains of uh you

2208
01:38:28,910 --> 01:38:26,100
know it doesn't come from Salisbury Hill

2209
01:38:32,510 --> 01:38:28,920
right it doesn't come from Ferry it

2210
01:38:35,570 --> 01:38:32,520
comes from the Middle East and from an

2211
01:38:38,090 --> 01:38:35,580
origin story that evolves

2212
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,100
something not of this Earth I don't want

2213
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:40,320
to say but it could be anything but but

2214
01:38:43,490 --> 01:38:42,480
that's but that's that's the chain of

2215
01:38:44,930 --> 01:38:43,500
custody

2216
01:38:48,830 --> 01:38:44,940
yes

2217
01:38:50,450 --> 01:38:48,840
and you know even if that weren't true

2218
01:38:52,250 --> 01:38:50,460
even if it were found at the stoner

2219
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:52,260
scone really did come from Salisbury and

2220
01:38:57,530 --> 01:38:55,679
the whole story was made up why does The

2221
01:39:01,129 --> 01:38:57,540
Sovereign in the 21st century want to

2222
01:39:03,709 --> 01:39:01,139
root his authority in an ET narrative

2223
01:39:05,209 --> 01:39:03,719
and it is because of this pattern and I

2224
01:39:07,370 --> 01:39:05,219
think it's because of our cultural

2225
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:07,380
memory that originally we were governed

2226
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,080
by beings not of this Earth who then

2227
01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:12,719
handed over authority to human successes

2228
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:14,460
that's the story of Gilgamesh the

2229
01:39:20,209 --> 01:39:17,280
crossover King it's the story told by

2230
01:39:22,010 --> 01:39:20,219
the Nigerian people the ethic people who

2231
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:22,020
talk about the

2232
01:39:25,610 --> 01:39:22,800
um

2233
01:39:28,370 --> 01:39:25,620
the ojisu the original rulers from the

2234
01:39:30,830 --> 01:39:28,380
heaven who then handed authority over to

2235
01:39:32,750 --> 01:39:30,840
the O Bar you can find that story

2236
01:39:35,390 --> 01:39:32,760
repeating in The Vedic stories an

2237
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:35,400
Egyptian story it's a universal story

2238
01:39:41,870 --> 01:39:39,199
authority to rule comes from off planet

2239
01:39:43,490 --> 01:39:41,880
and the human position holders well

2240
01:39:45,709 --> 01:39:43,500
they're just human position holders

2241
01:39:48,770 --> 01:39:45,719
that's the big picture and it's there in

2242
01:39:50,750 --> 01:39:48,780
the Bible too now you're all upset the

2243
01:39:53,570 --> 01:39:50,760
other half of the audience that I

2244
01:39:55,490 --> 01:39:53,580
haven't upset yet tonight which is and

2245
01:40:01,330 --> 01:39:55,500
then you have the pilgrimage Jamaica

2246
01:40:04,189 --> 01:40:01,340
right and to to get to a piece of Rock

2247
01:40:07,850 --> 01:40:04,199
that it came from off planet

2248
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:07,860
that that's that's that's crazy I mean

2249
01:40:14,050 --> 01:40:10,560
that's it when you and you read the the

2250
01:40:17,050 --> 01:40:14,060
the chain of custody story behind that

2251
01:40:20,990 --> 01:40:17,060
and you see what it looks like

2252
01:40:23,390 --> 01:40:21,000
uh it it very much mirrors what's about

2253
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:23,400
to happen at the coronation

2254
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,600
yes it does what I find in the Bible is

2255
01:40:31,490 --> 01:40:29,040
really interesting and this is in my new

2256
01:40:35,689 --> 01:40:31,500
book the Eden conspiracy is that there

2257
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:35,699
was a time the 8th Century BCE when the

2258
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:38,159
Kings wanted to get rid of all those

2259
01:40:41,770 --> 01:40:39,840
objects and all those places of

2260
01:40:44,450 --> 01:40:41,780
pilgrimage because there were so many

2261
01:40:47,209 --> 01:40:44,460
throughout the Levant there were so many

2262
01:40:49,310 --> 01:40:47,219
Standing Stones marking places of

2263
01:40:51,709 --> 01:40:49,320
contact there were so many carvings

2264
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:51,719
representing the beings who came in the

2265
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,760
past and they wanted to pair all that

2266
01:40:57,649 --> 01:40:55,679
down get rid of that except the

2267
01:40:59,870 --> 01:40:57,659
information is still there in the text

2268
01:41:02,750 --> 01:40:59,880
of the Bible saying this was the pattern

2269
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,760
this was our cultural memory and that's

2270
01:41:06,590 --> 01:41:04,560
why I think the Bible is such an

2271
01:41:10,189 --> 01:41:06,600
important document I think it's one of

2272
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:10,199
the most detailed depictions of paleo

2273
01:41:15,649 --> 01:41:13,679
contact in our written record which is

2274
01:41:18,010 --> 01:41:15,659
why I keep going back to it in my books

2275
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:18,020
and saying look at this

2276
01:41:22,970 --> 01:41:21,360
exactly now okay can we talk about the

2277
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:22,980
prime directive

2278
01:41:28,850 --> 01:41:26,159
there's a reason why

2279
01:41:29,870 --> 01:41:28,860
um I'm gonna tie Star Trek into to all

2280
01:41:34,010 --> 01:41:29,880
of this

2281
01:41:36,890 --> 01:41:34,020
and it's this Paul the prime directive

2282
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:36,900
um if you and I went out on a Starship

2283
01:41:43,490 --> 01:41:40,860
and and we found uh cavemen you know a

2284
01:41:46,609 --> 01:41:43,500
civil you know the startings of

2285
01:41:48,649 --> 01:41:46,619
something intelligent are we and and

2286
01:41:50,570 --> 01:41:48,659
they're still trying to

2287
01:41:52,910 --> 01:41:50,580
you know rub two stones together and

2288
01:41:54,590 --> 01:41:52,920
start a fire are you and I gonna toss

2289
01:41:56,930 --> 01:41:54,600
him a Bic lighter

2290
01:41:59,229 --> 01:41:56,940
right and go dude it's much easier than

2291
01:42:02,689 --> 01:41:59,239
that here check this out

2292
01:42:04,770 --> 01:42:02,699
well if we if we wanted to be worshiped

2293
01:42:06,609 --> 01:42:04,780
as Gods we might do that

2294
01:42:09,229 --> 01:42:06,619
[Music]

2295
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:09,239
that's a really good point right

2296
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:12,719
I can make fire yeah they're God their

2297
01:42:17,450 --> 01:42:14,820
God would have glasses

2298
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:17,460
um so so

2299
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:21,360
um with et's contact with us which

2300
01:42:25,370 --> 01:42:23,520
apparently has been going on for

2301
01:42:27,290 --> 01:42:25,380
probably as long as Earth has been

2302
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,300
around

2303
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:29,119
um what's the intention of that contact

2304
01:42:35,090 --> 01:42:32,639
because it seems like there has been

2305
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:35,100
help a lot of it we just talked about

2306
01:42:40,750 --> 01:42:36,960
the domestication of wheat for example

2307
01:42:44,330 --> 01:42:40,760
but crime directive come into play

2308
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:44,340
uh uh what What's the real mission of

2309
01:42:48,050 --> 01:42:46,080
E.T then

2310
01:42:51,890 --> 01:42:48,060
that's a great question

2311
01:42:53,330 --> 01:42:51,900
it was Christmas 2020 just before when

2312
01:42:55,370 --> 01:42:53,340
hey mashed

2313
01:42:57,649 --> 01:42:55,380
step forward and met the Press he was

2314
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:57,659
the Brigadier General who for 27 years

2315
01:43:03,530 --> 01:43:00,960
was Israel's chief of space security

2316
01:43:05,149 --> 01:43:03,540
uh so it was his job to know about these

2317
01:43:06,649 --> 01:43:05,159
things and he said on the basis of his

2318
01:43:09,890 --> 01:43:06,659
knowledge his understanding is that

2319
01:43:14,030 --> 01:43:09,900
we've been in contact with a Galactic

2320
01:43:15,649 --> 01:43:14,040
Federation for a long time at a covert

2321
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:15,659
government level

2322
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:18,960
but it has chosen not to self-disclose

2323
01:43:23,930 --> 01:43:21,119
until you and I have a better

2324
01:43:26,209 --> 01:43:23,940
understanding of what space is and what

2325
01:43:28,729 --> 01:43:26,219
spaceships are that was his phrase very

2326
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:28,739
intriguing phrase now when he said that

2327
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:32,400
I am just um disappointed that the

2328
01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:34,080
world's press didn't take a lot more

2329
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:35,820
notice of that because it was a very

2330
01:43:40,970 --> 01:43:38,000
credible person coming out with a story

2331
01:43:43,129 --> 01:43:40,980
and not a new story the stories there in

2332
01:43:45,709 --> 01:43:43,139
the Bible in the Sumerian in The Vedic

2333
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:45,719
in the Nordic stories so on and so forth

2334
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:48,360
chosen not to self-disclose I think

2335
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:50,639
that's true so we can get very

2336
01:43:55,729 --> 01:43:53,940
frustrated with the US government for

2337
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:55,739
instance in having so much classified

2338
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:58,080
information that it won't disclose or

2339
01:44:02,689 --> 01:44:00,000
the Vatican has so much classified it

2340
01:44:05,149 --> 01:44:02,699
won't disclose but I believe that policy

2341
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:05,159
of non-disclosure has not been set at

2342
01:44:11,689 --> 01:44:08,400
the human level it's been set up here

2343
01:44:13,729 --> 01:44:11,699
why what's the agenda well the fact that

2344
01:44:16,910 --> 01:44:13,739
it's a federation reminds us that it's a

2345
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:16,920
plurality of demographics who are

2346
01:44:21,290 --> 01:44:19,679
interested in Project Earth and the

2347
01:44:25,010 --> 01:44:21,300
Bible says the same there was a whole

2348
01:44:28,910 --> 01:44:25,020
range of beings who came in the past

2349
01:44:31,550 --> 01:44:28,920
some to help some to nurture but others

2350
01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:31,560
to exploit and to colonize there was a

2351
01:44:37,070 --> 01:44:34,260
whole spectrum of experiences of paleo

2352
01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:37,080
contact and unfortunately it's the

2353
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:39,060
positive kind that's kind of got

2354
01:44:44,570 --> 01:44:42,239
forgotten and we remember the traumatic

2355
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,580
stories and you know often when you say

2356
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:46,560
the word aliens people will immediately

2357
01:44:50,810 --> 01:44:49,020
think Mars Attacks Invasion of the Body

2358
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:50,820
snatches Independence Day they won't

2359
01:44:56,450 --> 01:44:54,719
think uh to uh tuition in Agronomy you

2360
01:44:58,370 --> 01:44:56,460
know helping us to build better Farms or

2361
01:45:00,649 --> 01:44:58,380
live more sustainably but that's all

2362
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:00,659
part of the spectrum then you've got you

2363
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:02,639
mentioned Genesis 6 earlier in our

2364
01:45:08,090 --> 01:45:06,000
conversation stories of hybridization

2365
01:45:10,129 --> 01:45:08,100
so there's a whole spectrum of agendas

2366
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,139
some are here to help because they love

2367
01:45:14,209 --> 01:45:12,239
human beings and they want to nurture

2368
01:45:17,209 --> 01:45:14,219
human civilization

2369
01:45:19,250 --> 01:45:17,219
some are here because they like humans

2370
01:45:20,570 --> 01:45:19,260
and they want more of what we've got in

2371
01:45:23,330 --> 01:45:20,580
their gene pool so there's the

2372
01:45:25,070 --> 01:45:23,340
hybridization program we hear of it in

2373
01:45:26,990 --> 01:45:25,080
Genesis 6 we hear of it in the Book of

2374
01:45:29,689 --> 01:45:27,000
Enoch and in other narratives around the

2375
01:45:32,330 --> 01:45:29,699
world and then we've got others here for

2376
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:32,340
exploitation those who used our

2377
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:34,080
ancestors in the Minds two hundred

2378
01:45:38,330 --> 01:45:36,000
thousand years ago for instance

2379
01:45:40,030 --> 01:45:38,340
the reason there's a federation is

2380
01:45:42,890 --> 01:45:40,040
because there is

2381
01:45:45,470 --> 01:45:42,900
disharmony and conflict and a variety of

2382
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:45,480
agendas and they are sitting in some

2383
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:49,679
kind of an uneasy agreement or truce

2384
01:45:54,590 --> 01:45:51,840
only there's a bit of leakage

2385
01:45:57,050 --> 01:45:54,600
we say uh prime directive but people

2386
01:46:00,169 --> 01:45:57,060
having contact experiences all the time

2387
01:46:02,570 --> 01:46:00,179
and we always have so that suggests to

2388
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:02,580
me that the agreement of non-disclosure

2389
01:46:08,570 --> 01:46:06,000
is not water tight and it's a little bit

2390
01:46:10,189 --> 01:46:08,580
less watertight now than it's been for a

2391
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:10,199
long time

2392
01:46:16,129 --> 01:46:12,719
what's the next step though

2393
01:46:20,209 --> 01:46:16,139
is is the next step us or them

2394
01:46:22,850 --> 01:46:20,219
right something something's got you know

2395
01:46:26,450 --> 01:46:22,860
what I mean something's got to give and

2396
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:26,460
it I I don't know if it shows like this

2397
01:46:32,090 --> 01:46:28,880
authors and researchers like yourself

2398
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:32,100
and you're a host and a media presenter

2399
01:46:35,870 --> 01:46:33,119
yourself

2400
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:35,880
is is it is it up to us

2401
01:46:41,930 --> 01:46:39,360
or is it ET is it our government what

2402
01:46:46,370 --> 01:46:41,940
what's the next step in this

2403
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:46,380
well I My Hope Is that the future is not

2404
01:46:51,890 --> 01:46:48,719
set in stone I don't believe it is and I

2405
01:46:53,930 --> 01:46:51,900
think that's why we have leakage that's

2406
01:46:55,850 --> 01:46:53,940
why we have a push and pull even at a

2407
01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:55,860
human level you know among our

2408
01:47:00,050 --> 01:46:57,840
intelligence government authorities

2409
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:00,060
military authorities how much disclosure

2410
01:47:03,649 --> 01:47:01,920
should there be this much or this much

2411
01:47:06,290 --> 01:47:03,659
and there's this push and pull going on

2412
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,300
I think that's happening on the Galactic

2413
01:47:10,209 --> 01:47:08,880
Federation level as well to use hamished

2414
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:10,219
language

2415
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:13,440
personally I have an old-fashioned

2416
01:47:18,050 --> 01:47:15,600
belief in democracy and a love of

2417
01:47:19,790 --> 01:47:18,060
democracy what that means is I want to

2418
01:47:22,430 --> 01:47:19,800
know who's representing us

2419
01:47:24,890 --> 01:47:22,440
in those conversations in whose

2420
01:47:27,649 --> 01:47:24,900
interests the decisions being made who

2421
01:47:31,250 --> 01:47:27,659
are our friends on that council with

2422
01:47:33,770 --> 01:47:31,260
whom can we do good exopolitics

2423
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:33,780
and my hope is that there are enough

2424
01:47:40,729 --> 01:47:36,719
friends in high places that we can shart

2425
01:47:42,649 --> 01:47:40,739
a positive way forward for Humanity I

2426
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:42,659
think a lot of people are very anxious

2427
01:47:48,649 --> 01:47:45,360
about what the powers that be have in

2428
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:48,659
mind for us around the planet in the

2429
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:51,600
future decades well my hope is that the

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01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:53,760
outcomes are not set in stone

2431
01:47:57,770 --> 01:47:55,920
that there are still conversations going

2432
01:48:01,609 --> 01:47:57,780
on that we do have friends in high

2433
01:48:03,649 --> 01:48:01,619
places and that contact is not only at a

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01:48:06,109 --> 01:48:03,659
covert government level as Hammer shed

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01:48:08,810 --> 01:48:06,119
said people all around the world are

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01:48:12,169 --> 01:48:08,820
having contact experiences and

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01:48:14,990 --> 01:48:12,179
communication experiences and I think we

2438
01:48:17,629 --> 01:48:15,000
need to embrace that instead of

2439
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:17,639
ridiculing it make the most of

2440
01:48:22,189 --> 01:48:20,159
information that is Flowing to us in

2441
01:48:24,590 --> 01:48:22,199
that way because I think that's our best

2442
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:24,600
hope of charting a positive way forward

2443
01:48:29,810 --> 01:48:26,639
where we're not the victims where we're

2444
01:48:32,510 --> 01:48:29,820
not constantly lied to or manipulated we

2445
01:48:34,669 --> 01:48:32,520
need to get ourselves in the picture as

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01:48:36,530 --> 01:48:34,679
best we can and that's why our love

2447
01:48:38,990 --> 01:48:36,540
shows like yours Jimmy conversations

2448
01:48:41,570 --> 01:48:39,000
like this because it is bringing more

2449
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:41,580
and more people into the conversation

2450
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:44,639
and I think information is power the

2451
01:48:50,450 --> 01:48:47,280
more we know the more hope we have of

2452
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:50,460
being players in our own future

2453
01:48:55,850 --> 01:48:53,119
who would best represent us would it be

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01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:55,860
science you know physicists like Brian

2455
01:49:02,109 --> 01:49:00,239
Greene or uh would it be the pope uh

2456
01:49:05,450 --> 01:49:02,119
would it uh

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01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:05,460
or Matthew McConaughey right right yeah

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01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,760
I was going to say Jody Foster

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01:49:13,669 --> 01:49:10,320
we're talking about contact aren't we

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01:49:15,169 --> 01:49:13,679
yeah I I I put Jody up on that list I

2461
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:15,179
wouldn't have any issues with that at

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01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,520
all but who would best represent us

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01:49:22,370 --> 01:49:18,960
would it be science would it be math

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01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:22,380
religion philosophy uh hopefully not a

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01:49:27,950 --> 01:49:26,159
politician uh but ah yes that's why I

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01:49:30,169 --> 01:49:27,960
say I hope it's not only at a covert

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01:49:32,450 --> 01:49:30,179
government level and I don't think it is

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01:49:34,669 --> 01:49:32,460
uh I don't think we have to you know

2469
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:34,679
single it down to saying if we have to

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01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:37,199
pick one you know let's pick a social

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01:49:43,010 --> 01:49:39,600
entrepreneur or a religious leader

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01:49:45,590 --> 01:49:43,020
because contact is far more plural than

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01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,600
that I mean the movie is so fascinating

2474
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:47,520
the movie contact was written by Carl

2475
01:49:52,910 --> 01:49:51,360
Sagan who officially didn't believe we

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01:49:54,590 --> 01:49:52,920
were in contact

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01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:54,600
she was an absolute skeptic about that

2478
01:49:59,870 --> 01:49:56,880
officially is very skeptical about

2479
01:50:02,629 --> 01:49:59,880
contact in the Deep past until you read

2480
01:50:04,250 --> 01:50:02,639
all the papers he wrote in the 1960s and

2481
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:04,260
then you watched the movie that was

2482
01:50:08,270 --> 01:50:06,719
produced from his novel I think even if

2483
01:50:10,609 --> 01:50:08,280
you didn't think he could present it as

2484
01:50:13,250 --> 01:50:10,619
science he presented it a story for the

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01:50:16,129 --> 01:50:13,260
world to know about the idea of contact

2486
01:50:18,890 --> 01:50:16,139
and that novel wrestles with this

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01:50:21,550 --> 01:50:18,900
question who should represent us

2488
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:21,560
should it be a religious person

2489
01:50:26,330 --> 01:50:24,719
should it be a scientific person and

2490
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:26,340
that whole debate is had in the movie

2491
01:50:31,250 --> 01:50:28,560
but my hope is it's not down to an

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01:50:32,930 --> 01:50:31,260
individual Community or a single

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01:50:36,109 --> 01:50:32,940
individual

2494
01:50:39,050 --> 01:50:36,119
contact is going on in every country in

2495
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:39,060
every culture around the world regular

2496
01:50:43,970 --> 01:50:40,560
human beings are having contact

2497
01:50:45,709 --> 01:50:43,980
experiences children are having them our

2498
01:50:47,570 --> 01:50:45,719
politicians are having them as well

2499
01:50:49,250 --> 01:50:47,580
because I think our visitors have the

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01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:49,260
intelligence to know that to have a

2501
01:50:55,310 --> 01:50:52,560
communication with us it needs to be in

2502
01:50:57,169 --> 01:50:55,320
that plural way and there's no way of

2503
01:51:00,109 --> 01:50:57,179
having a conversation with Humanity

2504
01:51:02,169 --> 01:51:00,119
unless it's done in that plural way so

2505
01:51:07,070 --> 01:51:02,179
that gives me some hope

2506
01:51:09,530 --> 01:51:07,080
with um uh with Giorgio sucolos with his

2507
01:51:10,970 --> 01:51:09,540
extreme popularity these days and it's

2508
01:51:16,910 --> 01:51:10,980
it's totally awesome

2509
01:51:21,470 --> 01:51:16,920
good fan it's and and you know uh the

2510
01:51:24,770 --> 01:51:21,480
meme right it's aliens well Ancient

2511
01:51:26,890 --> 01:51:24,780
Aliens has done an awful lot Eric Bond

2512
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:26,900
Anakin in general

2513
01:51:35,450 --> 01:51:31,920
to force the questions that's all right

2514
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:35,460
but if we go back and and start to

2515
01:51:44,030 --> 01:51:38,239
adjust things and look at the past

2516
01:51:48,290 --> 01:51:44,040
has it been uh an E.T alien influence on

2517
01:51:51,410 --> 01:51:48,300
just about everything if we stop and and

2518
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,420
take a look at it we can say God we can

2519
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,000
say angels we can say heavens we can

2520
01:52:00,410 --> 01:51:56,239
insert any narrative we want into this

2521
01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:00,420
but is that the case and if it is is

2522
01:52:05,149 --> 01:52:02,880
that the problem moving forward like

2523
01:52:09,590 --> 01:52:05,159
contact

2524
01:52:12,830 --> 01:52:09,600
yes how much interference has happened

2525
01:52:15,950 --> 01:52:12,840
if interventions have happened at the

2526
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:15,960
level of shaping us as a species that

2527
01:52:21,530 --> 01:52:18,719
suggests a very Hands-On relationship

2528
01:52:25,310 --> 01:52:21,540
doesn't it and there was a book written

2529
01:52:29,450 --> 01:52:25,320
long time ago now by a presbyterian

2530
01:52:31,850 --> 01:52:29,460
Minister called Robert Kirk in the 1600s

2531
01:52:33,410 --> 01:52:31,860
now Presbyterian Minister people should

2532
01:52:35,450 --> 01:52:33,420
straight away know that means a very

2533
01:52:37,790 --> 01:52:35,460
conservative individual that's a very

2534
01:52:41,330 --> 01:52:37,800
conservative kind of Christianity but

2535
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:41,340
Robert Kirk was a parish minister

2536
01:52:45,590 --> 01:52:43,440
and a man of great intelligence and

2537
01:52:48,109 --> 01:52:45,600
compassion who listened to the locals

2538
01:52:50,090 --> 01:52:48,119
and their experience of life in

2539
01:52:52,310 --> 01:52:50,100
Aberfoyle Scotland

2540
01:52:54,590 --> 01:52:52,320
and as he listened to them he realized

2541
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:54,600
he was hearing about

2542
01:52:57,709 --> 01:52:56,880
a hybridization program that was going

2543
01:53:02,750 --> 01:52:57,719
on

2544
01:53:04,669 --> 01:53:02,760
beings and as he followed that White

2545
01:53:08,030 --> 01:53:04,679
Rabbit he reached the conclusion

2546
01:53:11,810 --> 01:53:08,040
conclusion that there is a non-human

2547
01:53:13,970 --> 01:53:11,820
layer to the governance of humanity all

2548
01:53:17,810 --> 01:53:13,980
around the world and it's been in place

2549
01:53:19,729 --> 01:53:17,820
for a very long time and he published

2550
01:53:21,169 --> 01:53:19,739
that book which is incredibly courageous

2551
01:53:24,649 --> 01:53:21,179
thing to do

2552
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:24,659
but he was in fact repeating what

2553
01:53:30,050 --> 01:53:27,360
indigenous cultures has said since time

2554
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:30,060
immemorial that no understanding of the

2555
01:53:36,290 --> 01:53:33,119
world is complete until you recognize

2556
01:53:38,689 --> 01:53:36,300
there is a non-human layer to our

2557
01:53:40,910 --> 01:53:38,699
government and I argue in the Eden

2558
01:53:43,970 --> 01:53:40,920
conspiracy that the Bible teaches us

2559
01:53:45,709 --> 01:53:43,980
that that in their original forms the

2560
01:53:48,890 --> 01:53:45,719
biblical narratives the teaching us

2561
01:53:51,530 --> 01:53:48,900
about covert government hidden hands in

2562
01:53:54,290 --> 01:53:51,540
our political and economic life and the

2563
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:54,300
fact that that Hidden Hand is an ET hand

2564
01:53:58,250 --> 01:53:56,639
they too believed you won't understand

2565
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:58,260
what's going on

2566
01:54:02,930 --> 01:54:00,000
you won't understand why the position

2567
01:54:05,629 --> 01:54:02,940
holders behave in the way they do until

2568
01:54:08,530 --> 01:54:05,639
you realize there's a non-human layer to

2569
01:54:11,149 --> 01:54:08,540
the Uber policies that run everything

2570
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:11,159
doesn't necessarily mean that every

2571
01:54:16,490 --> 01:54:13,440
single policy was decided by an ET

2572
01:54:18,770 --> 01:54:16,500
Authority but some and when we're

2573
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:18,780
mystified by decisions that are taken

2574
01:54:22,970 --> 01:54:20,639
that appear to have

2575
01:54:24,890 --> 01:54:22,980
the interest of ordinary human beings

2576
01:54:27,050 --> 01:54:24,900
nowhere in view

2577
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:27,060
I think there's a very big clue there's

2578
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:29,040
an ET hand in that decision whether it's

2579
01:54:36,590 --> 01:54:32,159
decisions to do with banking money

2580
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:36,600
supply Warfare Public Health very often

2581
01:54:41,209 --> 01:54:38,639
we see things that don't make sense from

2582
01:54:44,270 --> 01:54:41,219
a human perspective and our ancestors

2583
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:44,280
say no it won't make sense there is a

2584
01:54:48,350 --> 01:54:46,800
council perpetually debating how many

2585
01:54:51,050 --> 01:54:48,360
human beings there should be on the

2586
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:51,060
planet how long lived they should be how

2587
01:54:54,770 --> 01:54:53,040
healthy they should be what access to

2588
01:54:58,129 --> 01:54:54,780
information they should have what access

2589
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:58,139
to clean water safe foods medications

2590
01:55:02,510 --> 01:55:00,960
that's reported in the Bible by cultures

2591
01:55:04,669 --> 01:55:02,520
all around the world and they're the

2592
01:55:06,770 --> 01:55:04,679
same struggles we're having today we're

2593
01:55:09,470 --> 01:55:06,780
experiencing culture wars not only

2594
01:55:12,109 --> 01:55:09,480
around medicine but around farming and I

2595
01:55:15,470 --> 01:55:12,119
would argue these culture wars all have

2596
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:15,480
their roots in the non-human layer in

2597
01:55:20,330 --> 01:55:17,520
the conflicts of that Galactic

2598
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:20,340
Federation to use hermeshed's language

2599
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:21,840
profound

2600
01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:26,880
everybody chase you down is it as simple

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01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:29,520
as uh paulanthonywallis.com

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01:55:33,530 --> 01:55:31,440
you can find me there if you're looking

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01:55:35,149 --> 01:55:33,540
for coaching you can find me there you

2604
01:55:37,609 --> 01:55:35,159
can find all my books there you can go

2605
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,619
to Amazon where you'll find all my Eden

2606
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titles and you can find me at fifth kind

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dot TV the fifth kind TV on YouTube and

2608
01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:45,239
the Paul Wallace Channel on YouTube as

2609
01:55:49,790 --> 01:55:47,520
well man I can't wait to get you back on

2610
01:55:51,770 --> 01:55:49,800
the show I waited too long for this but

2611
01:55:54,770 --> 01:55:51,780
it was a brilliant night thank you so

2612
01:55:56,810 --> 01:55:54,780
much Paul be safe thanks Jimmy and uh

2613
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:56,820
again happy birthday

2614
01:56:01,250 --> 01:55:59,280
thank you it's been a pleasure the

2615
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:01,260
absolute very best Paul Wallace and

2616
01:56:05,870 --> 01:56:04,320
again Paul's links are below we've got

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them over on the website and we've got

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them throughout social media it is fifth

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TV and Paul Anthony wallace.com I'm your

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01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:17,159
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2622
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:19,679
out of here we just want a poll to poll

2623
01:56:25,370 --> 01:56:22,080
with Paul excellent conversation tonight

2624
01:56:27,790 --> 01:56:25,380
thank you so much and uh what have I got

2625
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:27,800
going on tomorrow does anybody know

2626
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:30,480
tomorrow night is

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tomorrow night it is going to be great

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